3 steppers - Page 6

gloryseeker · #51 05-14-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by jaxfam6

I think there well be much less of those that just believe in heaven than those that believe and follow the rest of the insturctions. I am a firmly believe that you have to BELIEVE first and foremost to be saved. I also believe that if a person believes they will continue on with the rest. If a person has been twenty years believing and does nothing more I am rather skeptical of their salvation. If he dies still believing he is as good as satan because satan believes. Doesn't mean he is getting into the kingdom though. I think you all who believe only one step is required will be as surprised at the end of it all as those who believe that only three steps are required.
I think our esteemed brother HaShaliach has something when he said that the instruction did not stop at acts 2:38

I agree, in fact that was the point that I was making about there is more to this then a prayer of salvation. I think we are on the same page, for the most part, on this one.

KWSS1976 · #52 05-14-2009, 10:21 AM

Even I do not beleive in the sinners prayer thats not what I was starting this thread for..LOL

Light · #53 05-14-2009, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238

If the Holy Ghost automatically comes in you when you believe or accept the
Lord as Saviour, why does Acts 8:12-17 give us an example of people who
have believed on the Lord and even been baptized in Jesus name, but have
not received the Holy Ghost? We can see in this passage of scripture that
one does not automatically receive the Holy Ghost when he believes on the
Lord or when he is baptized. It's evident that receiving the Spirit is a distinct
and tangible experience. In this instance it happened to them in verse 17, and
it happened to them in such a way that Simon the sorcerer was able to see
it occuring in a visible and tangible way.

Acts 8:12-17
12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Don't confuse them with the truth.

deltaguitar · #54 05-14-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Even I do not beleive in the sinners prayer thats not what I was starting this thread for..LOL

It is funny that they try to put the sinners prayer on the one-steppers. Just like you can follow Acts 2:38 and not be born again so can you say the sinners prayer and not be saved. This is one of the top arguments that I get from three-steppers, that they disagree with the sinners pray of salvation. I think WE ALL would agree that the sinner's prayer is not the new birth.

deltaguitar · #55 05-14-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hesetmefree238

If the Holy Ghost automatically comes in you when you believe or accept the
Lord as Saviour, why does Acts 8:12-17 give us an example of people who
have believed on the Lord and even been baptized in Jesus name, but have
not received the Holy Ghost? We can see in this passage of scripture that
one does not automatically receive the Holy Ghost when he believes on the
Lord or when he is baptized. It's evident that receiving the Spirit is a distinct
and tangible experience. In this instance it happened to them in verse 17, and
it happened to them in such a way that Simon the sorcerer was able to see
it occuring in a visible and tangible way.

Acts 8:12-17
12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:

15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:

16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Does it say they spoke in tongues? Can anyone please direct me to any verse that shows where they were praying and striving for the Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues?

LUKE2447 · #56 05-14-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

It is funny that they try to put the sinners prayer on the one-steppers. Just like you can follow Acts 2:38 and not be born again so can you say the sinners prayer and not be saved. This is one of the top arguments that I get from three-steppers, that they disagree with the sinners pray of salvation. I think WE ALL would agree that the sinner's prayer is not the new birth.

At what point do you receive the HS?

KWSS1976 · #57 05-14-2009, 12:59 PM

Yea there was no seeking or praying for it in the bible like there is today they just put there hands on them in the bible and BAM you got it thats how it happened in the bible even old cornilious (sp) was not praying it just fell on top of him might of even knocked him down..LOL

ManOfWord · #58 05-14-2009, 12:59 PM

I am a confessed/convicted One Stepper! I have never believed that the "sinner's" prayer was sufficient for salvation. One may say ANYTHING to God or anyone else and it means nothing if the heart is not in it. A prayer without a surrender does nothing. True justification is a result of our submission to our Lord and God and His kingdom. One CANNOT simply say a prayer and be saved. It is not in the SAYING of any prayer that is efficacious. It takes kavanah!