Jerry Ensey wrote a great article on the Light Doc

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Luke did the thief die before or after Jesus or do you know?

That matters NOT repentance and remission was the preached in His Name BEGINNING at Jerusalem. Luke. 24:47

[Hesetmefree238]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Is there anywhere that says that Acts 2:28 is the response to the gospel?

Of course it's the response to the gospel. Peter preached the gospel in
Acts 2 and after he concluded his message, as conviction gripped upon the
hearts of the those who heard him, he instructed those who asked him
"what shall we do", to repent (believe the gospel and turn from your sins),
be baptized in the name of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, and you shall receive
the gift of the Holy Ghost. He further told them that the promise of this
gift is for everyone.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

I think Paul said believe at other times. This is a historical narrative and must be interpreted by the rest of the bible. Acts 2:28 is not repeated or reinforced anywhere else in the bible.

Ahhh but the problem young Jedi is you do not know the force of believe in the proper context and Greek language. Which most scholars have now realized how big a dunce Luther was and how his translation to a failed word in the German language skewed its meaning for a very long time. Salvation will never be about knowing but doing! Jesus was clear on this as to have faith/believe on is to respond to infull. Faith must have context and relate it does not stand alone.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The thief did NOT confess the death burial resurrection. He was NOT in the church age.

Amazing how faith only advocates and others point to the theif yet their plea won't be heard concerning ther Romans Road in this case either. There is a clear difference in hope of and realization of. pre and post DBR as the language and how they expected people to respond is different.

[KWSS1976]

Acts 15:11

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Acts 15:11

Acts 15:11 (King James Version)

11But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.


your point? define what the context of grace is please. Grace just like faith has a meaning attached to it. It has defintion in context of the whole.

[KWSS1976]

Luke why did Jesus die on the cross?????????

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Luke why did Jesus die on the cross?????????

1) so that he could provide "justice" on our part
2) so the law could be written on our hearts
3) so a new man could be born
4) new administration of the Spirit in the life of a believer
5) so we can fulfill law due to the above by the power of His Spirit
6) in the end it is all about saving us which all of the above does!

[KWSS1976]

He died on the cross for our sins so we could have everlasting life nothing more we have to do he did it for us.....And if you truly believe that you will live a god pleasing life we do not have to turn around and try to duplicate what he did for us.....

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Ahhh but the problem young Jedi is you do not know the force of believe in the proper context and Greek language. Which most scholars have now realized how big a dunce Luther was and how his translation to a failed word in the German language skewed its meaning for a very long time. Salvation will never be about knowing but doing! Jesus was clear on this as to have faith/believe on is to respond to infull. Faith must have context and relate it does not stand alone.

To you the word believe means Acts 2:38 plain and simple. It really doesn't matter to you if a person really has true faith and really believes in Christ as their Saviour and does everything to follow his commands. Lets just admit it. You don't believe that people can really have faith without Acts 2:38.

Another point, the commands of Christ are really holiness standards aren't they? A person can live a godly humble life following all that they know how but in order to really "believe" they have to follow the standards that you feel are appropriate.

My prediction is that the UPC will slowly but surely move away from Acts 2:38 as a salvation doctrine. It might take another 20 years but the truth is that most of the saints don't believe the doctrine anyway. There are great men in the group who seem to have an understanding of scripture.

As far as Luther's contribution. Luther wasn't the reformation but his actions were the start of the reformation. You love to talk about how the scholars recognize his as a dunce. Can you please provide me with these scholars information?