It's true and sounds very good on the surface but there's a devil in the details. When cutting taxes programs and grants are cut or dissolved. These vehicles used to help those in need at that point are limited in scope or no longer existent. Then as the tax cuts generate revenue for the treasury the question becomes what do we do with this revenue?
The "cuts" you describe are being made either by statute in a spending authorization bill from within a department if the managers and directors are given latitude with a program. Therefore, the "blame" for such cuts (if any) belongs to those making the cuts. Don't blame those who are taking advantage of a tax rate cut and exposing more of their wealth to taxation and ultimately paying more tax dollars.
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If one suggests increasing the funding to a previously cut program to feed the elderly they are decried as a socialist liberal. If they suggest creating an additional program that helps the elderly to replace one that was dissolved they are decried as a socialist liberal. So these monies stay in the hands of the "politicians". Then the "politicians" turn around and say, "We have a lot of money in the public's treasury. Let's give it back to the people!" They then launch tax rebate schemes that target their wealthy contributors, redistributing the public trust to the wealthy private interests. Leaving bridges in need of repairs and programs helping the poor and the needy barely surviving. Then some idealistic "Christian" comes around and says that it's the church's job to care for the poor and the needy. But 80% of their church's revenue goes to the massive building programs and the pastor's salary...normally less than 10% on average is spent on programs helping those in need...IF a church even has such a program.
Who called who a "socialist liberal?" Those names are called when tax rates are raised, not when they're being lowered as you are deescribing. And the "rebate schemes" are always weighted toward the poor end - in fact people who never even paid any taxes end up getting refunds and those evil rich people only get a fraction back of what they paid.
The game is designed and set up to redistribute massive amounts of wealth from "the rich" to the special interests of the Democratic Party. That's why we end up spending 100's of millions on "birth control" as part of a "stimulus plan." And Billions go to A.C.O.R.N. to reward them for their voter fraud efforts.
To say America is "heartless" and that Americans "exploit the poor is a lie. I paid over 20x's the amjount of charitable contributions than Joe Biden paid in the last 4 years. And, I'm helping to support 2 seperate food banks with that. No Aquila's buddy Joe thinks I need to "give" more to ensure that the special interests are well funded and Joe can get re-elected.
I say, "That's robbery and unjust." Aquila says, "Shut up and paid dear old Joe the money that he wants."
I don't get warm fuzzies thinking about how wonderful God was, when He killed Egypt's first born, or commanded His army to take young girls captive for themselves and kill all the others, men, women, and male children and babies. These are atrocities. Why would God do these things? It is much more likely that they are stories made up, perhaps to instill fear in people, perhaps to justify man's own atrocities.
And considering these stories to be allegorical or parabolic or in any way non-literal doesn't help much, either. What are we to learn from them? That God loves His people soooo much that he would figuratively but not literally kill their enemies in figuratively gruesome ways? That He would figuratively give them slave girls? What's that supposed to represent?
Shut up and pay more taxes lest a worse thing happen to thee.
When Israel's magistrates allowed land owners to deprive the poor of their right to glean and the priesthood devoured that which was kept in the storehouse for the poor leaving the poor, needy, widows, orphans, and strangers in destitution struggling for survival..God condemned the nation.
And a similar situation is found in America... where?
It's easy to beat up gays and blame them... they're a minority.
It's easy to beat up abortion policy...it offends nearly everyone anyway.
But it takes a REAL man of God with courage to stand up to the wealthy intensest and the spirit of greed behind this crisis. Sadly, most won't. Why? Because their political identity is more important to them than their spiritual identity.
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Judgment against economic injustice is mentioned more in the Bible as provoking judgment more than any sin accept idolatry. And in a sense, economic injustice is rooted in the love of money, a form of idolatry.
"Spirit of greed...?" The whole thing started with government mandating that lenders lend to problematic borrowers. Then those loans were sold and resold and the residuals were calculated and bought and sold until there was this $55 TRILLION industry of debt residuals that had grown up from $0 - all of it based upon shaky loans.
The problem was when government stepped into the market place dictating that lenders had to lend even when their numbers said "DON'T!" And then government said, "Hey, trust me about this guy... I'll back you up." That's when suddenly MY money was used to back up shaky and predatory lending practices.
There was and is "greed" involved. It's the greed known as Socialism. It's the SPIRIT of GREED that causes Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to covet my paycheck as a source of political favors that will lead to more campaign contributions for them.
It's easy to beat up gays and blame them... they're a minority.
It's easy to beat up abortion policy...it offends nearly everyone anyway.
But it takes a REAL man of God with courage to stand up to the wealthy intensest and the spirit of greed behind this crisis. Sadly, most won't. Why? Because their political identity is more important to them than their spiritual identity.
Easy to beat up on gays? Oh really? When have you ever seen it done in the media? They always praise them. They always look down on someone who might have the courage to speak up about it.
Gay is THE most politiaclly correct thing going. I guarantee you if you start saying it is a sin you will be getting in trouble.
They might be a minority but they are the flavor of choice to the world. America loves them. They praise them. The Sun rises and sets with them.
No I dont hate Gays. My daughter is one. But their sin is growing ever bolder. And yes God is punishing America for its acceptance of it. These things may seem small to some of you but God is merciful. He usually turns the heat of judgment up a bit at a time.
The more his word and then his smaller judgments are ridiculed "Oh no thats not God" the more he will turn it up.
Have you noticed the ECONOMIC CATASTROPHE that is going on?
I guess God is not involved in the affairs of men according to many in the Church nowdays.
Of course, I think you are wrong, but I will not say it IS of God. But I know He allows it to happen, and since He controls the weather.......enough said.
reference AD70. when it is God's judment, we won't have to question it.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
we ought to be careful throwing the term "judgment of God" around, lest the church be the same as the boy who cried "wolf"
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
Easy to beat up on gays? Oh really? When have you ever seen it done in the media? They always praise them. They always look down on someone who might have the courage to speak up about it.
Gay is THE most politiaclly correct thing going. I guarantee you if you start saying it is a sin you will be getting in trouble.
They might be a minority but they are the flavor of choice to the world. America loves them. They praise them. The Sun rises and sets with them.
No I dont hate Gays. My daughter is one. But their sin is growing ever bolder. And yes God is punishing America for its acceptance of it. These things may seem small to some of you but God is merciful. He usually turns the heat of judgment up a bit at a time.
The more his word and then his smaller judgments are ridiculed "Oh no thats not God" the more he will turn it up.
Have you noticed the ECONOMIC CATASTROPHE that is going on?
I guess God is not involved in the affairs of men according to many in the Church nowdays.
Sure He is. It's just we get to pick and choose who God is intending to "beat up." For some, it's the gays and abortionists. Because of their very evident evil we have the Almighty hurling His thunderbolts from Olympus and zapping the power lines leading into the homes of poor innocent Kentuckians.
Or for Aquila, it's the "robber barons" who fund his political favorites. But to remain pure, Aquila has to pretend they're really "Republicans" and thus God is justified in frying some Kentuckians to ease the Wrath of Aquila.
It's a method for making the injustices of life a little less bitter. My neighbor runs over my dog with his Subaru; no problem, I will find some hippies in the news dying a horrible death related to their mushroom consumption. My "gay" coworker weirds me out; no problem, millions in Africa will die of AIDS just to show "them" that I'm too close to the Almighty to be trifled with.
I don't get warm fuzzies thinking about how wonderful God was, when He killed Egypt's first born, or commanded His army to take young girls captive for themselves and kill all the others, men, women, and male children and babies. These are atrocities. Why would God do these things? It is much more likely that they are stories made up, perhaps to instill fear in people, perhaps to justify man's own atrocities.
And considering these stories to be allegorical or parabolic or in any way non-literal doesn't help much, either. What are we to learn from them? That God loves His people soooo much that he would figuratively but not literally kill their enemies in figuratively gruesome ways? That He would figuratively give them slave girls? What's that supposed to represent?
OOOOKKKKKKKKKKAAAAAAYYYY, Timmy. I finally saw you Ex sign at the bottom. It explains your antagonism to anything Biblical.
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