I shocked at the White remark in Lowery's prayer

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

LOL!

I won't forget the first time I was sitting in a large meeting and the term People of Color was used --- I was shocked until they showed a slide from the EEOC showing it.

LOL! Everyone can call us whatever they want - but we can't say anything at all - it's always racist for us. That is very annoying.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, the official government term when talking about minorities now is "People of Color" - however, that include all other races besides Caucasian, which I don't understand because I'm not colorless.

and if you build a human likeness from snow, it is to be called a "person of snow."

The term "snow man" is sexist.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Well, the official government term when talking about minorities now is "People of Color" - however, that include all other races besides Caucasian, which I don't understand because I'm not colorless.

Quite a few years ago (about 30), three of us were talking. Two of us were white and one was black. One white person (not me) mentioned something about a person and referred to him as "colored." The black person asked, "What color?" and went on to explain that white is a color also.

This was back when they called themselves "black" and before the term "African American" came along.

Many years ago when I was just a little boy, my father and a friend of his were talking and I was sitting there with them. My father's friend used the word "nig***" several times. I said something and included the word "nig***" in it. My father corrected me right then with his friend sitting there and said, "We don't use that word." I remember that clearly and it had to be about 60 years ago. At that time the term "Negro" was used and the word "Colored" was also acceptable.

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, I'm just not sure how I felt about that prayer. It was un-PC, for sure, but it seemed more heartfelt overall than Rick Warren. I wasn't really offended by his remarks, but that's because I tend to give older people more of a pass, since they're from a different era and just don't censor themselves as much as we do these days.

I don't think we should be quite so sensitive about it, and I think it's disingenuous to be offended just because others would be offended if the situation were reversed. I'm not going to choose to be offended simply because I have the right to be.

We really need a sense of humor, plain and simple.

Bump! Great post!

[Cindy]

I think we should all just be Americans.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Barb

This is my final post on this subject because you will never admit you were out of line, and I will not argue the point...the "red herring"analogy dones not fit with me.

Will only say that me mentioning 24 yrs. in the Black Church was NOT bigoted...that is your incorrect opinion. Was stating a fact about me...I don't pick apart statements to make a point.

Second, I can read, and you wrote in repsonse to PH's historical post, "BTW my poor white immigrants also helped build this nation and got treated like trash..."

You were equating your past with what I wrote.

You will never admit this, so I don't know why I bother...

Out of line with what? How can I admit to something you won't tell me? I disagre that this statement was fine and if that constitutes being out of line then I can't apologize. Sorry,

Red Herring, is not an analogy. A Red Herring is when someone introduces facts that really have nothing to do with the discussion but get us off track instead

Well I stated something about me and you accused me of trying to draw a comparison where in I was implying slavory was equal to my white immigrants coming and being treated like trash. How come you can do it but I can't?

My point, repeated, was that I don't GO by what happened in the past.

That is flat out untrue, you are judging my motives. You can't find one shred of evidence that I was making the two things equal.

Of course Im never going to admit it because what you said about me was you, not me. And the plain fact is you will never admit that.

Im not here for your story or anyone elses. I just wanted to point out MY opinion on what was said. In response to that you and someone else offered a pejorative reply where I did not. Any perceived reply by me was AFTER that fact.

Conclusion, my how ironic that you can say something about YOURSELF and your perspectiv but if I dare speak about myself or my family I am doing something evil. My my my.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ILG

Deleted that last post after rereading the comment. The insinuation is that whites still aren't doing what is right. Rather than it being a historical view, it looks more like a present accusation.

Exactly! But you are an evil person for realizing that. We all are.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Hilarious!!! That was racist!!!!

Nope. Not if he is black. He has slavery in his history so he can say that kind of stuff and it is ok. That is essentially the message we heard on this thread. What this guy said is ok, because look at what whites have done to blacks. All whites bad.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

I don't know this Reverand's motive for "white-right", and I know very little about him... but when I heard his prayer I was also struck by the rhyming of white and right...

At worst, he's still blaming whites and the statement is racist.
At best, his prayer was poorly thought out and he should have searched a little harder for something that rhymed with white.

I think he was out of line either way. Hopefully it was simply lack of thought.

On another note, (and possibly best on another thread )
This part of Obama's speach I was also struck by.

"We remain a young nation, but in the words of Scripture, the time has come to set aside childish things. The time has come to reaffirm our enduring spirit; to choose our better history; to carry forward that precious gift, that noble idea, passed on from generation to generation: the God-given promise that all are equal, all are free, and all deserve a chance to pursue their full measure of happiness"

In this age the scriptures are truly being wrested to mean what we desire them to mean. I have never read where God promised us we could pursue our full measure of happiness.
I'm not shocked or surprised at Obama's spiritual ideals, He has been open about his ideals and beliefs... I'm just saddened.

There is only one Way. Though the cry of this generation is that there are many.

I hope for the sake of all American's and the world at large, that Obama is able to bring stability to the American Economy and a victorious end to the war in Iraq and safety on the homefront.

But knowing that all this will pass away and only what we do for the Kingdom of God will truly last, I am not able to rejoice with the masses that crowded the National Mall yesterday. Only pray.

It's not that the word is "right" he used...It's that he implied white people don't do right and need to. Whites are all to blame.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Well, I'm just not sure how I felt about that prayer. It was un-PC, for sure, but it seemed more heartfelt overall than Rick Warren. I wasn't really offended by his remarks, but that's because I tend to give older people more of a pass, since they're from a different era and just don't censor themselves as much as we do these days.

I don't think we should be quite so sensitive about it, and I think it's disingenuous to be offended just because others would be offended if the situation were reversed. I'm not going to choose to be offended simply because I have the right to be.

We really need a sense of humor, plain and simple.

You don't have to be offended and you don't have to say the word racism in order to realize that what he said about whites was a negative statement while the others were not.

It's just a factual thing. No need to go emotional and say the reason why we feel this way is because we are all uneducated, whcih is what PraiseHymm implied

Originally Posted by PraiseHymn

For those who took the SAT or ACT, you'll notice that the prayer was pretty simple and not meant to be taken as a racist statement but mere rhyming.

That is insulting.

Then to suggest that because we disagree with such a sweeping generalization we are trying to re-write history? Folks, nobody here denies the history. But history first of all did not have ALL whites as slave owners NOR agreeing with it. Nor does a black person today being hurt by a white mean all whites are that way.

That is outright intellectual dishonesty.

MissB, the only problem though, yes he is old, but he is speaking to this generation. This stuff gets perpetuated over and over and over. It's a continuous cycle. This thread is a good example.