Does Dan Seagraves Believe in the LIght Doctrine????

[Whole Hearted]

Whagt does GLU stand for?

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Whagt does GLU stand for?

Great Lakes University.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by keith4him

For right now CLC is strong, 165 in student body population, they are moving towards accreditation. Not sure what the future now the Dr. Segraves is leaving but they have not fallen off the Radar.

I think in the near future though that the Bible College Model will go by the wayside and the UPCI will be forced to move towards the Liberal Arts or Regent College Model.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure what their enrollment was this year. Is that full-time, on Campus students?

I do not think the BC model will ever totally disappear as it fills a certain niche. I do think fewer of them will remain open.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by rrford

Thanks for the info. I wasn't sure what their enrollment was this year. Is that full-time, on Campus students?

I do not think the BC model will ever totally disappear as it fills a certain niche. I do think fewer of them will remain open.

Rrford...I agree that the BC model will ever totally disappear.....and I think we will se fewer. I think if young men are called to ministry, they can learn all they will ever need under the guidance of their local Shepherd. If young men will submit themselves for four years under a pastor and a pastor has weekly "classes" with these guys...they wil llearn all they ever will need.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

Rrford...I agree that the BC model will ever totally disappear.....and I think we will se fewer. I think if young men are called to ministry, they can learn all they will ever need under the guidance of their local Shepherd. If young men will submit themselves for four years under a pastor and a pastor has weekly "classes" with these guys...they wil llearn all they ever will need.

I would strongly disagree. I think very few of our pastors are really equipped to teach a young man all he will ever need to know. Personally, I think it takes an effective pastor, strong church, Bible College, and mentors/elders to equip a young man for ministry. JMHO.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by tv1a

It would be a coup if Seagraves ends up at Great Lakes University.

That was my first thought when I saw this thread! Then I thought no because of UGST.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by tv1a

GLU will be the premier bible college in short amount of time. They could use Seagraves' expertise to expidite the progress. IBC has Talmedge French. The other colleges are on life support because they are more of a club than a college. Seagraves would be a great asset to GLU.

I didn't realize that it was GLU's desire to be the premier Bible College. I thought their emphasis was being the first Oneness Apostolic based Liberal Arts University.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by rrford

Thanks for the response. Many times folks relpy to these types of things without relaizing the intent of a Bible College and what it is attemoting to do on limited budgets, etc.

I do know that some of your assessment is correct. CLC is the one that seems to have disappeared from the radar to me. I suppose that has alot to do with our own geography in relation to the school under disussion.

Interestingly enough, TBC's enrollment is continuing to make small increases after it's relocation to the District facilities in Lufkin. The 20 year plan for the District includes some progressive development for the BC. Last years move to full-time staffing has helped. They finished in the black last year (basically unheard of for a UPCI Bible College) and are projected to do so this year also.

rrford,

Do you know what the enrollment figure is this year at TBC since they are in your neck of the woods? I have been wondering.

I was surprised that CLC is 165. I just assumed it was between 200-300.

[Hesetmefree238]

Originally Posted by Sam

Those of us who are called "one-steppers" believe Saul was saved/regenerated/justified on the Damascus Road and 3 days later was baptized in the Spirit and in water. This is not written for debate or to take this thread off track, just an explanation for how some Oneness Pentecostals believe.

In my opinion (so that's all this is -an opinion) the "light doctrine" is a way a three-stepper can preach salvation/regeneration as requiring all three steps but can have some wiggle room to say that ALL who have not followed the three steps will go to Hell. This allows martyrs who have given their lives for Jesus, great men of Christian history like Martin Luther and Charles Wesley, etc to get into heaven even though they have not been saved/regenerated by the "three-step" formula.

Bro. Norris taught this at the Apostolic Bible Institute for many years and if it was also taught at Stockton, there must be an awful lot of Oneness preachers who believe it.

There are a lot of Oneness preachers who believe it, but many will not say for fear of being called a compromiser.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by keith4him

This is what he believes:

We are justified at the point of faith, everyone who is in the bride of Christ has to be baptized in Jesus Name.

That baptism unites us with Christ Romans 6; Col. 2, and that the normative experience of the New Birth in the NT is faith, repentance, baptism and receiving the Holy Spirit.

He does not call what he believes to be the light doctrine, but will discuss freely what C. Haney, GT Haywood and A. Urshan believed and in the least they validated as being legit. the experiences of true faith found outside our understanding.

Keith,

Does S. believe that remission of sins happens after repentance and water baptism?