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Old 08-21-2008, 03:07 PM
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Suppose.....God allowed this to happen....to see how we would react to it....I dont know how theologically correct that is....im no theologian...but...just suppose...God thought..."I wana see how my children will react and to whom they will turn to when they find out about this" ...Just a thought....
Probably happens more than we realize, IMO
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:32 PM
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Here's the latest news on this sad situation.

Disgraced pastor Michael Guglielmucci a porn addict

  • Disgraced pastor a severe porn addict, dad says
  • 'Addicted' to porn since the age of 12
  • Dad says son made full confession about porn

Confession ... the father of disgraced pastor Michael Guglielmucci has revealed his son has been addicted to pornography since the age of 12.


THE father of disgraced pastor Michael Guglielmucci has revealed his son has been addicted to pornography since the age of 12. Danny Guglielmucci – whose high-profile preacher son last week week admitted his two-year battle with cancer was fake – said the "severe addiction to pornography" was part of a bizarre double life his son had been leading.

Mr Guglielmucci, who established Edge Church International, an Assemblies of God church in Adelaide, said Melbourne-based Michael had made a full confession to his family about his past, including revelations about the 16-year porn obsession and the lies over his supposed battle with terminal illness.

In an exclusive interview with Adelaide's Sunday Mail this week, Mr Guglielmucci also revealed: HIS son has been suffering "mystery illnesses" since the age of 12.

DOCTORS gave his parents the option of admitting him to a psychiatric ward for assessment as a child over the ongoing "illnesses", but they refused.
THE family's "absolute shock" at discovering Michael was not terminally ill.

Mr Guglielmucci said he and wife Sharonne – who founded Edge Church International with him – were struggling to comprehend what their son had done.
They are expected to address the church's Adelaide congregation today to explain his actions.

"When (Michael) rang me last Tuesday, I was on my way to New Zealand," Mr Guglielmucci said. "He said, 'Dad you've got to come and see me'. "I said to my wife, 'Maybe the doctors have told him he's only got a few weeks to live'. "So we cancelled everything and jumped on the plane and went to see him in Melbourne, and that's when he told us the story. "We were just in absolute shock and we still are. We haven't had time to get our head around it. He said, 'I don't have cancer. I've had two lives that I've lived'.

"His wife (Amanda), who has been with him for seven years, found out the day before we did and she's had no idea. "Michael has had a severe addiction to pornography. The addiction to pornography started when he was 12. "It's horrendous because we don't have that sort of stuff around. He was raised in a Christian home; we've never brought that stuff into our home."

Michael Guglielmucci was one of Australia's highest-profile Christian preachers, inspiring hundreds of thousands around the world as he performed his hit song Healer with an oxygen tube in his nose. He was a pastor with Planetshakers, a Christian youth movement that began in Adelaide and has grown into an international ministry.
But that all came crashing down this week when his deception became public. Mr Guglielmucci said his son finally confessed after the guilt of his lies and addiction became overwhelming. "He lived the two lives and he would get sick as a result of the guilt," he said. "He was feeling like he was letting God down, letting his family down, his church, his friends. "He's been living this for so long, feeling like he's had these two lives and now he's the one that's come out in the open. He confessed it, he didn't get caught.

"To deal with the guilt he would pour himself into doing good work. He's touched the lives of young people all over the world. Now they are all affected by this. "He hasn't done this for any reasons that have been portrayed that he's a fraud.

"It was either keep pretending or come out with the truth and tell everything. He's come out with everything but now we've got the consequences of it all."We have to accept it. We're hoping to share with our congregation how it all started and how it got where it is. "We understand people's anger, we understand their questioning.
"There's so many questions. "An addiction like this is not going to be fixed overnight. You can't have a 16-year problem and fix it in a week."

Mr Guglielmucci said his son was undergoing psychiatric assessment with Adelaide doctors. "They have said to me that he is very ill. They are assessing where reality stopped and fantasy kicked in and what's caused all this," he said. "The doctor believes that at times Michael was totally convinced that he had this sickness."

Mr Guglielmucci said his son had a long history of "mystery illnesses", starting in childhood. "When he was about 12 he did vomit all the time, he'd get really really sick," he said. "He was in the Adelaide Children's Hospital for seven weeks at one stage; he didn't eat and we thought we were going to lose him. "They took out his appendix, thinking that it might be that, but they realised that it wasn't. "They gave us the option of putting him in a psychiatric ward to see if there was something psychological but we felt uncomfortable with that at the time. "We signed him out from hospital and then he would go a few months and then he would get sick again.
"We'd always take him to hospital; we'd always do the proper thing but they couldn't get to the bottom of it until now."

Mr Guglielmucci said he and his wife were in "absolute shock" to discover their son was not terminally ill. "We have watched our son go through what we thought was cancer," he said. "My wife and I, over the past two years, have watched him vomit in buckets, having nosebleeds, and even his hair fell out in clumps at one stage. "Every time we saw him, we saw symptoms. He stayed with us for a while where we had to put a special air-conditioner in one of the rooms because he would heat up so much in the middle of winter. "He had this cold air-conditioner blowing on him to try to keep the heat down. As a professional minister I've stood in front of my congregation and cried and said to pray for my son.

"I've travelled the world asking people to pray for him. Can you imagine what a horrible thing it would be if I was playing a game? "To be honest, I ask myself as a father, 'What did I miss, what did I not do? What could I have done better?' "

Mr Guglielmucci said Michael's wife was "getting really good counselling".
"She's not made any decision at this point," he said. "It's happened so quickly. There's so many questions."
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:20 PM
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This reminds me..........there was a young guy at JCM in the 70's who told everyone that he had cancer and was not expected to live. This was a few years after I graduated there. The staff and all the kids were fasting and praying like crazy. The guy got all kinds of attention. Only when the chorale sang at a district camp that summer and met his parents did everyone find out that the whole story was made up! The Bible college staff was floored (although the extra praying sure didn't hurt anyone at JCM!!!).

I just think it was all very sad. The boy just wanted a lot of attention, I guess and he got it. It seemed to all stem from an insecurity problem.
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:30 PM
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This is sad,but what if he really gets cancer what would go through this fellow's mind then ?
This reminds of me a story,when I was younger it was kind of popular to wear glasses,that looked real like glasses,but where really fake glasses.
Being younger and foolish I bought a pair and wore them.
A minister asked me did I wear glasses of course I replied no.
He told me what if God caused you to wear glasses ? Needless to say I quit wearing those fake glasses.
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I know a lot of people are going to be angry over this and I admit that I fight the same feelings. He had me, just like his family, hook line & sinker! But it sounds the like the enemy had him that way as well. He certainly needs our prayers for him and his family and for his complete deliverance!

May the hand of the Lord be upon Mike for good and for deliverance!
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I know a lot of people are going to be angry over this and I admit that I fight the same feelings. He had me, just like his family, hook line & sinker! But it sounds the like the enemy had him that way as well. He certainly needs our prayers for him and his family and for his complete deliverance!

May the hand of the Lord be upon Mike for good and for deliverance!
Im in agreement with your prayer!!! May God truely heal this man!
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Where was the spiritual discernment? Seems as though this guy has pulled a Borat on a lot of people.
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Where was the spiritual discernment? Seems as though this guy has pulled a Borat on a lot of people.
I agree without sounding harsh it looks like someone could have heard that still small voice talk to them about this.
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This reminds me..........there was a young guy at JCM in the 70's who told everyone that he had cancer and was not expected to live. This was a few years after I graduated there. The staff and all the kids were fasting and praying like crazy. The guy got all kinds of attention. Only when the chorale sang at a district camp that summer and met his parents did everyone find out that the whole story was made up! The Bible college staff was floored (although the extra praying sure didn't hurt anyone at JCM!!!).

I just think it was all very sad. The boy just wanted a lot of attention, I guess and he got it. It seemed to all stem from an insecurity problem.
I was there and lived it. I even remembe the guys last name. I think he was motiviated by the attention he got from the pretty girls becausse of his "cancer".

He was not a handsome guy but all of the pretty girls fawned all over him and of course he got attention from everybody.

They all thought he was so brave that he would only let them drive him to the building where his supposed Dr. Appointments were downtown but would not let anybody go in with him. He said that he wanted to be brave and face it like a man. Ha!

The ironic thing was that the lie got so big and I think he go so uptight knowing that at some point it was going to come unraveled that he actually lost weight during this time which added to the realism of his con.

Since his dad was a UPC pastor (from Texas if I remember correctly) he was just simply quietly sent home and it was all swept under the rug as much as possible. I would not be surprised to find out he is pastoring today. If anybody knows what happened to him PM me.

Around this same time my brand new very expensive Bible disappered from the table everybody put their things on when going into the cafeteria. Many months later I got called into a deans office and on his desk was a pile of letters, money, clothes, etc that a pyscho girl from Ohio had been stealing. I was told she had stolen my Bible and hidden it in the engine compartment of the College van and they were going to retrieve it as soon as the van got back and they did. She was kicked out of school and the funny thing is that a few months later that summer I helped man the JCM booth at the Ohio Campmeeting and this girl came up to me and the other guy and acted as if nothing had ever happened. How she got caught was she was pyscho enough to steal her roomates clothes and then just cut the sleeves off and tried to claim it was her own.
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I was there and lived it. I even remembe the guys last name. I think he was motiviated by the attention he got from the pretty girls becausse of his "cancer".

He was not a handsome guy but all of the pretty girls fawned all over him and of course he got attention from everybody.

They all thought he was so brave that he would only let them drive him to the building where his supposed Dr. Appointments were downtown but would not let anybody go in with him. He said that he wanted to be brave and face it like a man. Ha!

The ironic thing was that the lie got so big and I think he go so uptight knowing that at some point it was going to come unraveled that he actually lost weight during this time which added to the realism of his con.

Since his dad was a UPC pastor (from Texas if I remember correctly) he was just simply quietly sent home and it was all swept under the rug as much as possible. I would not be surprised to find out he is pastoring today. If anybody knows what happened to him PM me.

Around this same time my brand new very expensive Bible disappered from the table everybody put their things on when going into the cafeteria. Many months later I got called into a deans office and on his desk was a pile of letters, money, clothes, etc that a pyscho girl from Ohio had been stealing. I was told she had stolen my Bible and hidden it in the engine compartment of the College van and they were going to retrieve it as soon as the van got back and they did. She was kicked out of school and the funny thing is that a few months later that summer I helped man the JCM booth at the Ohio Campmeeting and this girl came up to me and the other guy and acted as if nothing had ever happened. How she got caught was she was pyscho enough to steal her roomates clothes and then just cut the sleeves off and tried to claim it was her own.
I remember the guy's first name, so we could put it together and google him!! I had already graduated, but Eddie was there (of course, since he was in your class!). It was the most bizarre thing, but it did get some JCM kids praying so there was a little good that came from it.
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