The question had to do with "are you concerned that someone pastoring souls is off-base on the most basic biblical doctrines?". Either you are, or you're not.
(Or of course there are some who try so hard to appear "non-critical" or "non-judgmental" that they simply overlook false doctrine.)
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If your own pastor went on national TV and said he believes Mormons are saved... and if also he's evasive when asked if Hindus and atheists go to heaven, you're telling us you wouldn't be bothered by that?
I don't understand why you are beating this bush so hard concerning me????? Of course I would be concerned if MYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PASTOR did this, cuz HEEEEEEEEEEEE is MYYYYYYYYYY Pastor and that affects me, get it, sheesh!
JO means nothing to me, has no impact on my life, I am not called to go and make everything right in Houston.
You parenthesied comment brings you to light.. I try so hard to appear, "non-critical" what a joke!
My calling isn't to go out and show how everyone is wrong, my calling is to be a worship leader and that is enough on my plate. Hopefully when I stand before my Judge, He will say, "well done". What JO does or doesn't do doesn't have any impact on who I am, what I do, or how I live.
Ok then.
So anyone who expresses concern about a preacher expressing blatant falsehood on core bible doctrines is just trying to "go out and show how everyone is wrong".
Okey doke.
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I like their exuberant worship, I like it that they smile, I love their stage setup, I like their organization in the office.
I like his speaking style and mannerisms, I like it that he encourages, I like the way he looks at and treats his wife in public, I like it that he gives his team much support in their ministries.
Don't get his wife angry. Especially on a plane......
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So anyone who expresses concern about a preacher expressing blatant falsehood on core bible doctrines is just trying to "go out and show how everyone is wrong".
Okey doke.
Sheesh man you don't get it at all. One last kick at the can and then we're done okay?? There are those who's calling is to preach, point out false doctrines, preach the Message. That is NOT my calling. I, again I TR, I don't criticize, that is for OTHERS to do. YOU seem to have picked up that mantle, now you're criticizing me, have at it I guess.
I don't understand why you are beating this bush so hard concerning me????? Of course I would be concerned if MYYYYYYYYYYYYYY PASTOR did this, cuz HEEEEEEEEEEEE is MYYYYYYYYYY Pastor and that affects me, get it, sheesh!
JO means nothing to me, has no impact on my life, I am not called to go and make everything right in Houston.
You parenthesied comment brings you to light.. I try so hard to appear, "non-critical" what a joke!
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Why did I focus on you? Well, you chose to insert yourself into the conversation by posting on the thread.... So why is it wrong to ask follow up questions?
You went out of your way to tell us how you like his speaking style, how his church organizes their office, how he looks at his wife, etc...
... but then you not-so-subtly imply that those who're who express concern about is lack of sound doctrine are being "critical".
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You imply that you're not going to comment on his doctrinal stuff because he's not your pastor. In essence , it's not something you feel like commenting on since he's not your pastor.
OK but... he's not your pastor and that didn't stop you from commenting on irrelevant stuff like how he looks at his wife, or how his church arranges their office!
Good grief, at least be consistent.
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And yes, its obvious you're trying hard to appear non-critical. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. In my opinion, you trying to deny it is what is a joke.
Anyway, I wont "beat the bush" anymore. We can just move on if you like sir.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
Why did I focus on you? Well, you chose to insert yourself into the conversation by posting on the thread.... So why is it wrong to ask follow up questions?
You went out of your way to tell us how you like his speaking style, how his church organizes their office, how he looks at his wife, etc...
... but then you not-so-subtly imply that those who're who express concern about is lack of sound doctrine are being "critical".
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You imply that you're not going to comment on his doctrinal stuff because he's not your pastor. In essence , it's not something you feel like commenting on since he's not your pastor.
OK but... he's not your pastor and that didn't stop you from commenting on irrelevant stuff like how he looks at his wife, or how his church arranges their office!
Good grief, at least be consistent.
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And yes, its obvious you're trying hard to appear non-critical. Even Stevie Wonder can see that. In my opinion, you trying to deny it is what is a joke.
Anyway, I wont "beat the bush" anymore. We can just move on if you like sir.
I went out of my way???? You asked and I politely answered, and yes, we're done.
Don't get his wife angry. Especially on a plane......
ROFL!!!! That is exactly what I was thinking. Apparently Joel is much nicer than she is.
I think her little airplane altercation set back their PR effort a bit but it all seems to have faded away now. I hope he read her the riot act over her behaviour.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
ROFL!!!! That is exactly what I was thinking. Apparently Joel is much nicer than she is.
I think her little airplane altercation set back their PR effort a bit but it all seems to have faded away now. I hope he read her the riot act over her behaviour.
I missed it, what happened? I thought it was Roberston or Schuller that had a hissy fit on a plane????
Apparently she thnks the name "Victoria" means she is Queen Victoria and must be obeyed, waited on IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!
If there is a polar opposite of the fruit of the spirit I think that is what she displayed here. I would have loved to have seen Joel's face when all of this went down. He probably wanted to go hide somewhere.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
I read the link... I imagine the some of the accounts were overblown.
Osteen and family would have a huge target painted on thier foreheads, being the head of such a large prominent church.
It wouldn't have happened had she just patiently waited.
Hindsight, 20/20
How many times have I done something without thinking it through?
Too many to count.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
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