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08-03-2008, 10:01 PM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
This probably has somewhat to do with it.
22: And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1 John 3:22
Maybe not all. At least somewhat.
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08-03-2008, 10:11 PM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
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I really appreciate all the responses in this thread.
I am not so sure it is us that hinders God.
How does a starving African orphan hinder God?
How does any abused child, calling on Jesus for help, hinder God?
How does an abused wife hinder God?
How does any rape victim hinder God?
How does a cancer patient hinder God?
I honestly don't understand how it is US that hinders God.
I mean, we are begging Him to intervene in our situations. We are humbling ourselves.
What gives?
Is God waiting for some magic hocus pocus word or action before He will move for us?
What kind of God would that be?
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Intersting in light of my pastors message today. Entitled "End Slavery", pastor challenged us to get individually involved in world organizations that fight against child labor slavery / sex slavery/ etc.
If we all got invloved, to love our nieghbors as Christ loved them...maybe...just maybe we'd see more miracles in our midst.
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08-04-2008, 06:14 AM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
I havn't read all the other replies, so if somebody done said this- my apologies.
1 Cor. 2:16
Paul said; "For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
The apostles, (and probably Jesus?) past by the lame man for years untill "an appointed time" that Peter and John healed him (we know God did it).
"Whatsoever you ask in his name" he will do it.
I've heard it often preached, this means "use the name-Jesus", and he'll do it. I feel that it has to be the will of God (above our carnal will), to be in effect, even while invoking his name. But at the same time, the prayers of a righteous man availeth much. So thru being righteous in his sight, we "have some pull".
So why doesn't he heal in the situations U mentioned?
Got me. His ways are past finding out is the only thing I can come up with.
All boys under the age of 2 yr.s were murdered by Herod when Jesus came into the picture. Rachel weeping 4 her children. God allowed it, and I feel there was probably quite a bit of prayer going up.
We find in scripture that signs will follow the believer. I never recall reading where everyone would always be healed. Jesus did it, probably to "prove the gospel", but I don't believe he promised "always" to us.
Is it always God's will to heal all those that need it? Must not be according to scripture and history or he'd have been doing it.
Or, maybe he must also need a reason and purpose, besides a person or child suffering, in order to heal them.
Maybe his sole purpose to heal, is only to "prove the gospel", and we must allign ourselves to that. Knowing when to "pass by the lame man, and when to stop and heal him". "His Mind, His will, his Kingdom come". Maybe we haven't tapped into that completely just yet.
Outside of that, all we may have is "prayers of the righteous availing much"( him doing it per our request, because we are being righteous in his sight).
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08-04-2008, 06:33 AM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
I believe God can do anything.
However, I often wonder why He doesn't do something.
Have you ever noticed how we make excuses for God?
We say things like, "well, there just wasn't enough faith in the room," or "it just wasn't God's will for that little child to be healed of cancer," or "just be patient, God will come through - just in time!"
I do not pretend to understand God, or the way He works. I don't know why He heals some and doesn't heal others.
But I do know this much.
Sometimes there is enough faith in the room and healing still doesn't take place.
Sometimes God doesn't "come through" like we think He should and great misery falls on those of us who absolutely, incorrectly, TRUSTED that the outcome would be positive.
What then?
Why is it so hard for God to do miracles?
It is not a question of ability. So, what then?
Folks, my original post got mangled somehow. Here is how it originally read.
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You should never ask God to do something He has already done. Almost every post on this thread has some implication of God doing something.
Since Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, God has already bought and paid for healing for everyone. God always answers every request for healing. He never fails to honor His promises.
The problem being discussed, is always on the receiving end. It's not a lack of faith. It only takes a small mustard seed of faith. The person seeking healing must believe that " God "is: NOW. That's present tense. " Now faith is". You don't need much, but it must be " Now". The person seeking healing must not have "doubt". "If you have faith and doubt not,...you shall say,'......mountain, Be thou removed...' ." ( Mat 21:21) It is possible to have faith and doubt at the same time, and one will neutralize the other.
That's just three simple rules. 1) Believe that God has already done it. 2) Don't doubt that it is done. 3) Say to the sickness, "Sickness, be thou removed".
God has never failed. God has never said no to any of His promises. If you don't see it happen, then the person seeking healing, did not follow one of these three simple rules. (Matt 7:7-8)
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08-04-2008, 07:55 AM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
You should never ask God to do something He has already done. Almost every post on this thread has some implication of God doing something.
Since Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, God has already bought and paid for healing for everyone. God always answers every request for healing. He never fails to honor His promises.
The problem being discussed, is always on the receiving end. It's not a lack of faith. It only takes a small mustard seed of faith. The person seeking healing must believe that " God "is: NOW. That's present tense. " Now faith is". You don't need much, but it must be " Now". The person seeking healing must not have "doubt". "If you have faith and doubt not,...you shall say,'......mountain, Be thou removed...' ." ( Mat 21:21) It is possible to have faith and doubt at the same time, and one will neutralize the other.
That's just three simple rules. 1) Believe that God has already done it. 2) Don't doubt that it is done. 3) Say to the sickness, "Sickness, be thou removed".
God has never failed. God has never said no to any of His promises. If you don't see it happen, then the person seeking healing, did not follow one of these three simple rules. (Matt 7:7-8)
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And there you have it, the "Word of Faith" gospel in a nutshell - if you're sick, it's your fault.
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08-04-2008, 08:48 AM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
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And there you have it, the "Word of Faith" gospel in a nutshell - if you're sick, it's your fault.
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Is that all you can say? At least bring out some scripture to disprove that every incidence of sickness in a believer is not meant to be healed.
Do you believe sickness is sometimes a result or punishment for sin? or perhaps taking communion unworthily? or simply unto death?
Why do you think sometimes God heals and sometimes He doesn't?
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08-04-2008, 09:13 AM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
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Is that all you can say? At least bring out some scripture to disprove that every incidence of sickness in a believer is not meant to be healed.
Do you believe sickness is sometimes a result or punishment for sin? or perhaps taking communion unworthily? or simply unto death?
Why do you think sometimes God heals and sometimes He doesn't?
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That's about all that I have to say about that.
The Word of Faith gospel was posted by Bro Larry, and I provided the Reader's Digest version for people who don't read longer posts.
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08-04-2008, 09:46 AM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry
You should never ask God to do something He has already done. Almost every post on this thread has some implication of God doing something.
Since Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection, God has already bought and paid for healing for everyone. God always answers every request for healing. He never fails to honor His promises.
The problem being discussed, is always on the receiving end. It's not a lack of faith. It only takes a small mustard seed of faith. The person seeking healing must believe that " God "is: NOW. That's present tense. " Now faith is". You don't need much, but it must be " Now". The person seeking healing must not have "doubt". "If you have faith and doubt not,...you shall say,'......mountain, Be thou removed...' ." ( Mat 21:21) It is possible to have faith and doubt at the same time, and one will neutralize the other.
That's just three simple rules. 1) Believe that God has already done it. 2) Don't doubt that it is done. 3) Say to the sickness, "Sickness, be thou removed".
God has never failed. God has never said no to any of His promises. If you don't see it happen, then the person seeking healing, did not follow one of these three simple rules. (Matt 7:7-8)
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So, IYO, everyone healed in the N.T. including the lame man had "NOW" faith, or "God has already done it" faith, that they would be healed, and if they hadn't had, then they would not have have been healed?
I can think of a few times where miracle believing people prayed for miracle-healing believing people that needed to be healed. And their bodies did not get healed. I don't believe it was their lack of mustard seed faith, from either "party". If they didn't believe in healing, they would not have asked to get prayed for, to be healed.
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Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. - Eph. 4:29
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08-04-2008, 07:09 PM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
There are many ways to receive your healing, I just posted the simplest way to receive. If the person seeking healing, will follow the three simple steps, they will receive what they desire. It cannot fail.
If any of you have a better scriptural answer, let's have it, instead of a bunch of ignorant retorts.
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08-04-2008, 07:18 PM
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Re: Why is it So Hard for God to do Miracles?
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Originally Posted by Stephanas
And there you have it, the "Word of Faith" gospel in a nutshell - if you're sick, it's your fault.
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Don't try to put words in my mouth. I didn't say "if you're sick, it's your fault". I am saying, " Only you can receive your healing, noone else can receive it for you".
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