Who then can be lost? - Page 6

Rico · #51 07-10-2008, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by stmatthew

Honestly, it was a liberal PCI believing man that said it. You sure are getting the attitude lately...

Brother, I will stand against anything I believe the Bible is against. Works based salvation is high on that list. I've heard preachers make the same type of comments as the one in your previous post, and they're based on faulty logic and putting the cart before the horse. It's been my experience that too many apostolic preachers end up preaching works based salvation, mainly out of fear of sounding like the once saved always saved crowd. I've heard many more sermons on performing, whether it be this standard or that standard, than I have heard on the grace of God. The focus is more on works than anything else, and it shouldn't be this way.

TRFrance · #52 07-10-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I will not deny their experience, nor will I minimize their following of Christ by saying they are not a Christian simply because they haven't been baptized yet, or haven't received the Holy Ghost. Even in Acts, men were called "disciples", though they had not been baptized or received the Spirit yet.

According to the WORD, repenting of your sins is enough to get you the label of "disciple."

Miss Bratt,
Sounds like you're referring to the men in Acts 19:1-6. Yes, they were called disciples but that didnt make them Christians. They were not disciples of Christ. They were disciples of John the baptist, and had not even heard the gospel of Jesus till afterward, when Paul shared it with them.

Steve Epley · #53 07-10-2008, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Miss Bratt,
Sounds like you're referring to the men in Acts 19:1-6. Yes, they were called disciples but that didnt make them Christians. They were not disciples of Christ. They were disciples of John the baptist, and had not even heard the gospel of Jesus till afterward, when Paul shared it with them.

YEP that is how it was.

Tyk · #54 07-10-2008, 09:28 AM

Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

If a pentecostal came doing those things described in vs 22, we/you would build him up to be mighty man of God that we should all follow. He has the power (that i heard preached about so much...) and must be doing things right!

2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1Tim 4:1-2Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

The falling away you spoke of Mark.

And it shall come to pass in the LAST DAYS, saith God, I will pour out my Spirit UPON ALL FLESH: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams... And I will show wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood and fire and pillars of smoke... Acts 2:16-20

I've heard great revival preached the same way I've heard the falling away preached.

Like I've said before, who would be "blind" to Jesus if he walked into our service or house? Infact he might be waiting to get into heaven himself because of his Beard.

MissBrattified · #55 07-10-2008, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Miss Bratt,
Sounds like you're referring to the men in Acts 19:1-6. Yes, they were called disciples but that didnt make them Christians. They were not disciples of Christ. They were disciples of John the baptist, and had not even heard the gospel of Jesus till afterward, when Paul shared it with them.

Perhaps not, but on another thread, Bro. Epley said that there are no non-Apostolic Christians (not a direct quote), and I disagree. I think "Christian" befalls anyone who is making any effort to follow Christ and His teachings. Whether they have "arrived" or not, is another matter.

RandyWayne · #56 07-10-2008, 09:30 AM

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Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Gee, I doubt THIS will describe anyone who stuck to 'the manual' to a T?

Maple Leaf · #57 07-10-2008, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Elder without trying to be offensive you sound like a Southern Baptist.

Truth is no less truth if it sounds like a Southern Baptist, and no more truth if it sounds like a Oneness Pentecostal.

Tyk · #58 07-10-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

Truth is no less truth if it sounds like a Southern Baptist, and no more truth if it sounds like a Oneness Pentecostal.

Agreed. I don't care what title or "denomination" I might get labeled or sound like. As Maple said, in the end, the truth - The word of God - is what matters.

Rico · #59 07-10-2008, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Perhaps not, but on another thread, Bro. Epley said that there are no non-Apostolic Christians (not a direct quote), and I disagree. I think "Christian" befalls anyone who is making any effort to follow Christ and His teachings. Whether they have "arrived" or not, is another matter.

Sister, you are going to make a good liberal eventually. It's plain to see you are toying with the edge of the slippery slope that leadeth to all manner of greasy gracenessness.

MissBrattified · #60 07-10-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rico

Sister, you are going to make a good liberal eventually. It's plain to see you are toying with the edge of the slippery slope that leadeth to all manner of greasy gracenessness.

LOL!!! I've always felt this way, Rico. My parents raised me to respect (e.g., BE respectful to) all other believers, Apostolic or not, or whether we thought they were saved or not.

I would not disrespect another person who believes they are Christian by denying them the title of Christian. What would be the point of that, other than to disrespect them?