True, but Moses and Elijah did not appear in bodily form. That was a spiritual vision.
In the case of the witch at En-Dor, I just don't think God had a thing to do with that event.
In the case of En-Dor Samuel was not any more in a bodily form either. Only the witch could see and she described him as a god coming up out of the earth. She was genuinely shocked at what she got. She was not expecting the real Samuel. She did not do anything you see. But as I pointed out before the narrator never says they thought it was Samuel. Never said it was not really Samuel but a familiar spirit. Never corrected the situtation. Thus the context shows it was really Samuel. We know the witch has not the power to do that. God raised up Samuel for one last rebuke of Saul
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In the case of En-Dor Samuel was not any more in a bodily form either. Only the witch could see and she described him as a god coming up out of the earth. She was genuinely shocked at what she got. She was not expecting the real Samuel. She did not do anything you see. But as I pointed out before the narrator never says they thought it was Samuel. Never said it was not really Samuel but a familiar spirit. Never corrected the situtation. Thus the context shows it was really Samuel. We know the witch has not the power to do that. God raised up Samuel for one last rebuke of Saul
Prax, If it really was Samuel, then Saul must have been saved.
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6) And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
Is it your belief this witch of Endor thwarted the will of God by conjuring Samuel, that Saul might speak with a prophet of God, against the will of God?
Remember, God had excommunicated Saul and refrained advising Saul through any prophet. Why would God contradict himself by advising Saul through a dead PROPHET?
6) And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
Is it your belief this witch of Endor thwarted the will of God by conjuring Samuel, that Saul might speak with a prophet of God, against the will of God?
Remember, God had excommunicated Saul and refrained advising Saul through any prophet. Why would God contradict himself by advising Saul through a dead PROPHET?
True. (see post # 23)
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Prax, If it really was Samuel, then Saul must have been saved.
Every English version on BibleGateway.com says, in v 15, that Samuel spoke to Saul. What's the LCFV (Larry's Contradiction Free Version) going to say? Give us a sneak preview!
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6) And when Saul inquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.
Saul inquired of the LORD for help and the LORD did not answer him when he inquired. So then later when he sought through a Medium Samuel came up and rebuked him.
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Is it your belief this witch of Endor thwarted the will of God by conjuring Samuel, that Saul might speak with a prophet of God, against the will of God?
It is my believe the witch did NOTHING. As I have said several times now the witch did not raise Samuel. God did it. The previous verse only says The LORD did not answer him. It does not say the LORD would never answer him.
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Remember, God had excommunicated Saul and refrained advising Saul through any prophet. Why would God contradict himself by advising Saul through a dead PROPHET?
God never said or declared he would never address Saul in any manner.
Additionally, if this was not Samuel WHY would he rebuke Saul? Why would a false spirit speak the truth and rebuke Saul?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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