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SDG · #51 07-07-2008, 02:03 AM

Rhoni · #52 07-07-2008, 05:52 AM

www.GotQuestions.org

Question: "What does the Bible say about hair length? Do men have to have short hair, and do women have to have long hair?"

Answer: A passage that mentions hair length in the New Testament is 1 Corinthians 11:3-15. The Corinthian church was in the middle of a controversy about the roles of men and women and the proper order of authority within the church.

In the Corinthian society, women showed submission to their husbands by wearing a veil. It seems that some of the women in the church were discarding their veils, something that only pagan temple prostitutes or other rebellious women would do. For a woman to come to church without her veil would be dishonoring to her husband, as well as culturally confusing. By the same token, for a man to wear a veil or a turban or to somehow have his head covered during worship was not culturally acceptable in Corinth.

Paul appeals to biology to illustrate the appropriateness of following the cultural standards: women naturally have longer hair than men, and men are much more prone to baldness. That is, God created women with a “natural veil” and men with an “uncovered head.” If a woman spurns the mark of her submission (the veil), she may as well shave her head (verse 6). His point is that if the culture says a woman should not be bald (going without her natural covering), then why would she reject that same culture’s standard of wearing a veil (going without her cultural covering)?

For the man’s part, it is unnatural for him to have “long hair” (verse 14). His hair is naturally shorter (and thinner) than the woman’s. This corresponds to the Corinthian tradition of men not wearing a head covering during worship. Paul urges the church to conform to the generally held ideas of male and female appearance.

While hair length is not the main point of this passage of scripture, we glean the following applications from it: 1) We should adhere to the culturally accepted indicators of gender. Men should look like men, and women should look like women. God is not interested in nor does He accept “unisex.” 2) Don’t rebel against the culture just for the sake of rebelling, in the name of some sort of Christian “liberty.” It does matter how we present ourselves. 3) Women are to voluntarily place themselves under the authority of men in the church. 4) We should not reverse the God-ordained roles of men and women.

Our culture today does not use veils or head coverings to indicate submission to authority. The roles of men and women have not changed, but the way we symbolize those roles changes with the culture. Rather than establish legalistic standards of hair length, we must remember that the real issue is our heart condition, our individual response to the authority of God, His ordained order, and our choice to walk in submission to that authority. Men and women have different, God-ordained roles, and part of that difference is shown by their hair. A man's hair should look masculine. A woman's hair should look feminine.

ChTatum · #53 07-07-2008, 06:05 AM

"because of the angels....."

Just a thought, has anyone thought about the definition for angel?

CC1 · #54 07-07-2008, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by tstew

DA, what does 11:10 mean to you?

I don't know about DA but to me it usually means time to start thinking about what to eat for lunch!

tstew · #55 07-07-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by scotty

If the suggestion that this place has any kind of influence on the Apostolic movement is true then the Apostolic movement has become shallow. I am a member of several Apostolic forums, boards, sites and work with different Apostolic entities outside of UPC. No where else have I ever seen the division and anomosity that I have seen since coming to this board. I am sorry, but if AFF is representive of the Apostolic movement, then I pray Jesus, come now, because our soul winning days are done.

Scotty, I understand some of what you are saying, but I don't really agree with your characterization of the people of AFF. As I have looked at different websites and churches that many of these members are representative of and even pastor, I have been impressed at how effectively many are advancing and holding onto fundamental Apostolic doctrine. I have certainly seen many ministries whose soul winning days are far from done. I am blessed to be a part of one.
I think a lot of the debates stem from interpretations of a few teachings being weighed and discussed, but as is usual in any online forum you do not get the full sense of who a person is and what they do.
The people here seem to be willing to discuss things that were considered non-discussable.

tstew · #56 07-07-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1

I don't know about DA but to me it usually means time to start thinking about what to eat for lunch!

I'm a big boy, so that starts at around 9:15 for me.

SOUNWORTHY · #57 07-07-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

4Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

6For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
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There is reference to hair here, but only to support the custom of veiling when praying or prophesying.

"...but if it be a shame"

to have short hair or shaved head, let her be covered.

Not being funny but just curious. How about men who sit in church with their caps or hats on. I had a pastor (for a very short time) who sat in men's prayer with his cap on. I also quit going to a church because the drummer and guitar player played in the orchestra with caps and hats on. Would this fall under dishonoring his head or disrespect for God and his house?

Even though I believe in long hair, for women that is, I' not sure a woman would be lost if she trimmed her hair. I don't believe short is trimmed but CUT.

ChTatum · #58 07-07-2008, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I have no dog in this fight... my wife doesn't cut her hair, case closed,, she and I both feel very comfortable with that.. However, if she wanted layer her hair or cut off the dead ends.... she would never hear one word from me about it.. as long as the length is not touched... but here is my question....

Can we not learn from nature? I mean just look at how God created the two sexes..... PREDOMNANTLY women can grow hair to their feet if it remains uncut.. or they can grow it substantially more than a man can..... and for men its just not the case... I have seen men with long hair VERY FEW and VERY RARE but even then not much past the shoulders.... never to their knees or their feet....... does this NATURE LESSON not cause one to pause and wonder WHY WOULD GOD cause a womans hair to grow long NATURALLY if this was not his desire for woman?

I can let my hair go uncut for months and it might finally touch my shoulders but it is not naturally inclined to grow as my wifes will......

Is there no place here for NATURE to teach us?

You still shaving in spite of nature?

LOL!

The Word is still a two-edged sword.

chosenbyone · #59 07-07-2008, 07:08 PM

Since, this has been such a hot topic on AFF, I decided to read several opinions found on the web regarding women's hair. The excerpt below was from an article I read this evening, which had an interesting take on what "because of the angels" meant in 1 Corinthians.

It was a little lengthy, but worth the time to read.

Because of the angels

In the eleventh chapter of 1 Corinthians we find a remarkable teaching which ought to stir the heart of every woman. The Lord says, "For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels." The word power here means authority. A woman ought to have a symbol of her husband's authority or her father's authority on her head. That is, a woman should wear long hair to indicate that she is submissive to the authority God has put over her. And this special reason mentioned here for a woman having long hair is that angels look on, and for their sakes a woman needs to have long hair.

The angels of God are all about us. People often think of angels as remaining in Heaven and only coming to earth on rare occasions to bring some message. But that is not true. The chief business of the angels is on earth, not in Heaven. Heb. 1:13,14 shows that the angels are not sitting on the right hand of God but "are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?" The angels are ministering spirits, sent to wait on us who will one day fully inherit our salvation.

Angels appeared to Jacob on a ladder reaching from Heaven, as the young man slept with his head on a stone, and "behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it." Angels whose work is on earth ascend to Heaven evidently to make report, but they descend again to take up their work. When Elisha, the prophet of God, was at Dothan, unseen to other eyes the angels of God made a ring of fire around the city with their "horses and chariots of fire" (2 Kings 6:17). The Lord Jesus says about little children, that "their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven" (Matt. 18:10). And Psa. 34:7 says that "the angel of the Lord encampeth round about them that fear him, and delivereth them."

So angels are all round about us. And they are surpassingly concerned about our lives. Our eyes are blinded! We think that the other world, the unseen world and spirit beings are far, far away, but that is not true. And how angels do listen when a woman kneels to pray! For the sake of angels who always are near, Christian women should especially be careful to have long hair--"because of the angels," the Scripture says.

How are angels concerned about a woman's hair? I think that not only would angels be grieved by this mark of rebellion against husband or father and against God, but angels would be tempted, likewise, to rebel.

We know that some angels are fallen. I understand the Bible to teach that Satan himself was Lucifer, an archangel who became ambitious and rebellious and said, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God" (Isa. 14:13). He wanted to be like God (Isa. 14:14), and was not willing to be subject, just as many women want to be equal to their husbands instead of being subject to them. And Satan fell. So a great group of angels fell, too. Rev. 12:4 may suggest that a third of the angels fell. I do not know how many. But actually, these angels are now chained in darkness, awaiting judgment (2 Pet. 2:4). Angels can fall, and in the past angels have fallen into sin.

This is especially sad when we remember that Christ never became an angel and did not die for angels. There is nothing said in the Bible about the redemption of fallen angels. If God has any plans for saving angels, He has not revealed them to us.

What sins did angels commit when they fell? They did not get drunk. They did not commit adultery, for it seems that angels are sexless beings who neither marry nor are given in marriage (Matt. 23:30). We suppose that heavenly angels, accustomed to the beauty and glory of Heaven, are never covetous. No, the sin of angels is the sin of rebellion.

Thus, when a woman with bobbed hair and a rebellious heart comes to pray, angels who are near and see her head and see her heart are tempted to sin; are tempted to commit the sin which such women commit, the sin of rebellion against authority. Because of the angels, every woman should wear long hair and be careful that she does not have a rebellious heart lest she should be a curse to the angels God has sent to be our ministers and guardians.

From this Scripture it becomes evident how hateful is the symbol of bobbed hair to God. And how it reveals the stubborn self-will of the modern woman who is no longer willing to take the place God assigned to godly women. I beseech the reader that if you are a woman you consider how God must feel toward this mark of rebellion, bobbed hair. No wonder that 1 Cor. 11:5 says that every woman with a bobbed head has a dishonoured head. And 1 Cor. 11:6 says that it is a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven and that she ought to have a covering. And 1 Cor. 11:15 says that long hair is given her for this covering. Bobbed Hair By John R. Rice http://www.gotothebible.com/HTML/Sermons/bobbed.html

tstew · #60 07-07-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ChTatum

You still shaving in spite of nature?

LOL!

The Word is still a two-edged sword.

Never thought of that