Can a oneness believer make it to Heaven...

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by HaShaliach

Point taken: I receive most of my deep Bible study material from the likes of Alistair Begg, Michael Youssef, and Ravi Zacharias. The most profound series on the deity of Jesus I have heard was by R.C. Sproul. (Assuming that most of you recognize these names but just haven’t admitted to it.) Neither am I ashamed of their teaching – it is right on – it is straight Bible!

Is the series on the deity of Jesus by RC Sproul on his website? Can you provide link?

BTW, all Trinitarians and Oneness believe in the deity of Jesus. It's the doctrine of the Trinity that puts up the wall.

[Scott Hutchinson]

I want my heart to be pure,and I don't hate people in other churches I hope I didn't sound harsh,but I tell you this Oneness of God message and all of the fullness of divinity being in Christmessage is down deep in me.
Hey Elder It's great to see you here as well.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Well I have read many great works from those in the dominion theology camp who come from the Reformed Presbyterian Tradition,but politely I won't be joining one.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Is the series on the deity of Jesus by RC Sproul on his website? Can you provide link?

BTW, all Trinitarians and Oneness believe in the deity of Jesus. It's the doctrine of the Trinity that puts up the wall.

Most trinnies I know are ok with fellowshipping us OP's. It is the OP's that WILL NOT fellowship them. From where I sit it seems ONENESS built the wall.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I know a family here and the parents are solid. their kids are confused. grandkids wont know the difference, and would not know what you meant if you asked them if they were oneness.

Originally Posted by Ferd

I think a saved person can go to a church that teaches false doctrine and be saved. or not go to church at all and be saved.


BUT if they have kids, their children will be what ever their environment is.

if your Apostolic to your core, but you choose to worship in a Baptist church, your children will be baptist. if you teach them the Apostolic message, and send them to a baptist sunday school, they will beleive your ACTIONS more than they believe your WORDS.

that is what I think. Peace to you all.

Ferd,

You said it twice, but no one heard it.

I could go to a Satan worshiping church, and as long as I stayed prayed up and read up I could be saved. But what of my children?? At what cost do I put them in danger of drifting from the truth of the bible, and allowing them to be taught either nothing at all, or false doctrines that I know are incorrect?

I said it a while back and got blasted, and will likely get blasted again, but for many here doctrine means very little.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Ferd,

You said it twice, but no one heard it.

I could go to a Satan worshiping church, and as long as I stayed prayed up and read up I could be saved. But what of my children?? At what cost do I put them in danger of drifting from the truth of the bible, and allowing them to be taught either nothing at all, or false doctrines that I know are incorrect?

I said it a while back and got blasted, and will likely get blasted again, but for many here doctrine means very little.

Matt. For most on here doctrine mean everything. It means everything to me. However that is not all there is. I do agree with you about the next generations. If I drop a standard of some sort in my generation then the next generation will not have to drop that because they will have it to drop. Such as if I social drink(which I DO NOT do)I have dropped a standard. Chances are that my kids would not ever have to drop that standard themselves cause I dropped it for all of us.


Going to a trinitarian church is not the end of the world. Many of them are just like us, I mean me. IF I do my job as the leader of my family my kids will not have an issue with what is being preached. You know I went to FAC in Knoxville-they were and still are more conservative than many UPC churches. Growing under that teaching was good, but my mother and father taught me what they themselves believed based upon the Bible and not all of it matched the Bishop. They made me understand that we have to choose the life we live and not go on someones word, but search it for yourself. The taught me if I am questioning a belief then search it out and if that belief is right then I will end up where I started, but with the knowledge that I am on the right track. This is how we ought to be. But just going to a non OP church is not bad.

[TRFrance]

I'm not surprised that there are people here who always seem quick to point the finger at oneness folks for "building walls" between us and Trinitarians.

...as if they don't know that there are Trinitarian churches and "ministries" that have called (and continue to call) us all manner of names for not accepting their unbiblical doctrine. "Unsaved", 'demonic" "cult-like", "similar to the Mormons/Jehovah's witnesses", worshipers of "another Jesus" etc... are just a few of the many harsh things that are still said to this day about Oneness folks. But I see that a lot of self described 'Apostolics' on this forum seem to turn a blind eye to that stuff.

To hear them tell it, you'd almost be led to believe that the walls are only built from the Oneness side, not the Trinitarian side.

[A.W. Bowman]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Is the series on the deity of Jesus by RC Sproul on his website? Can you provide link?

BTW, all Trinitarians and Oneness believe in the deity of Jesus. It's the doctrine of the Trinity that puts up the wall.

I don't know if it is on the web site. I heard it on the radio several years ago and couldn't believe my ears! I am sure that if you contacted the ministry they will dig up a book or CD for you.

The doctrine: OKl as one preacher put it: "Take out the reference to numbers and the term "persons" and replace them with the "several relational manifestations of God that Jesus identified in the Gospels. Or, refer to them simply as, the SRMOG. No numbers (trinue or otherwise), no persons and everyone can be 'un-offended.'" Except for me, of course! I would have added the missing TJIITG, but then I was always one to go overboard for details.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I'm not surprised that there are people here who always seem quick to point the finger at oneness folks for "building walls" between us and Trinitarians.

...as if they don't know that there are Trinitarian churches and "ministries" that have called (and continue to call) us all manner of names for not accepting their unbiblical doctrine. "Unsaved", 'demonic" "cult-like", "similar to the Mormons/Jehovah's witnesses", worshipers of "another Jesus" etc... are just a few of the many harsh things that are still said to this day about Oneness folks. But I see that a lot of self described 'Apostolics' on this forum seem to turn a blind eye to that stuff.

To hear them tell it, you'd almost be led to believe that the walls are only built from the Oneness side, not the Trinitarian side.

ouch...let me pull the arrow out of my back.

I am not defending trinitarians what I am saying is that OP's build A LOT of wals between us too. THE UNDERLINED PORTION-these are the exact thing I have seen people on here say about them. Give me a break TF. Don't act like the OP's are 'poor pitiful me's'. OP's dish it out as deep and as hard too. I admit it hurts when we are called cultish and whatever, but why throw the same hurtful things their way? IT DON"T MAKE SENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Is the series on the deity of Jesus by RC Sproul on his website? Can you provide link?

BTW, all Trinitarians and Oneness believe in the deity of Jesus. It's the doctrine of the Trinity that puts up the wall.

Thank you.

If the Trinity doctrine wasn't there, that wall wouldn't be there.

And we're not the ones who came up with, or presently espouse, the Trinity doctrine.

So we're not the ones responsible for the wall being there.