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03-21-2007, 11:18 AM
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03-21-2007, 11:26 AM
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Just interested in your responses. At the gym this morning I listened to a program that asked kids at a Christian college this question. Very interesting responses.
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Because it is the inspired, inerrant, written revelation of God in the original languages and an all-sufficient rule of faith in all other languages (to the extent that the translations are true to the original).
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03-21-2007, 11:29 AM
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Because it is the inspired, inerrant, written revelation of God in the original languages and an all-sufficient rule of faith in all other languages (to the extent that the translations are true to the original).
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Agreed! But I meant to ask it in a more 'apologetic' tone.
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03-21-2007, 11:36 AM
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I often pondered the question of:
What is the purpose of Christianity?
It can't be to make heaven and miss hell - because some people don't believe in either. It can't be to be a better person - because some people don't need a "higher power" to make them a better person. It can't be to have their problems solved - because Christians have as many, if not more, problems than non-Christians. It can't be for prosperity - because not all Christians are wealthy.
There has to be more than just those things in order to believe in Christianity. It can't be because you claim your Bible is "inerrant", because all religions that have text claim the same thing. It can't be because you have the original religion because Mithra ism was alive and well long before Christianity hit the scene.
So, what is the purpose Christianity?
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03-21-2007, 11:41 AM
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Let me see if I understand your thought. You don't believe that there are any objective, cogent, 100% fool proof, reasons why Christianity is true......One has to go with their feelings........
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Aren't these proofs ultimately the opinions and interpretations of man?
This is a great thread, I will be back, must run for now.
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03-21-2007, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by nathan_slatter
I often pondered the question of:
What is the purpose of Christianity?
It can't be to make heaven and miss hell - because some people don't believe in either. It can't be to be a better person - because some people don't need a "higher power" to make them a better person. It can't be to have their problems solved - because Christians have as many, if not more, problems than non-Christians. It can't be for prosperity - because not all Christians are wealthy.
There has to be more than just those things in order to believe in Christianity. It can't be because you claim your Bible is "inerrant", because all religions that have text claim the same thing. It can't be because you have the original religion because Mithra ism was alive and well long before Christianity hit the scene.
So, what is the purpose Christianity?
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It's His purpose to reflect His glory through His people. It's about Him not us.
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03-21-2007, 11:43 AM
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Aren't these proofs ultimately the opinions and interpretations of man?
This is a great thread, I will be back, must run for now.
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So objective Truth is unknowable and at least unverifiable?
See you when you get back.
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03-21-2007, 11:47 AM
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It's His purpose to reflect His glory through His people. It's about Him not us.
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Now that I agree with. I, personally, believe that a majority of Christainity, especially Western Christianity, has become about ME and not much more.
It has become about ME missing hell and being rewarded with heaven.
It has become about ME have a better life.
It has become about ME being a better person.
It has become about ME being the person that people can come to for prayer, guidance, and legislation.
But maybe that's just me seeing myself in the mirror.  It has become about ME. Nothing more.
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03-21-2007, 11:56 AM
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For me, I'm not one to just believe anything that comes my way or anything someone proclaims is true, right or acceptable.
I do not believe the Bible because someone told me to. I believe the Bible is accurate because I have studied it's origins both historically and otherwise. Many years of study have only strenghthened my original findings.
We live in a society that questions everything. I think it prudent to be able to give sound, solid answers as to why something is proclaimed as truth. I believe that I can do that.
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03-21-2007, 12:26 PM
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Faith is reasonable. God is THE very essence of logic in action. He cannot be illogical.
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But until you believe, then faith is reasonable. Faith is not reasonable to those who don't believe. Take my son for instance. He doesn't think he can believe in something he can't see. I use the scripture that every house is built by some man and he that made all things is God. He understood that but then he wants to know which GOD is the God that made all things.
What do you say? I gave him a book by Lee Stobel and a CD by Ravi Zacharias. Which he did not read but he listened to the CD. The bottom line is he isn't really wanting to seek after God or know God at this time in his life. He wants to do the things he wants to do and I don't think any amount of reasoning will change his mind. Only prayer and the Spirit of the Lord can make him see his need for God and take away the blindness cast over his mind.
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The evidence that Peter would offer was current and known by people of his time. He was offering testimony as in a court of law.
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What I meant to say is what did the apostles say to prove the scriptures were true or even that their testimony of Christ was true? I was hoping you would answer my question. The Bible is written with the assumption that in the beginning God created....it doesn't try to prove itself.
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Signs and wonders are NOT enough. Remember what Abraham told the rich man when he asked for Lazarus to good to his brothers????? "Even if one comes back from the dead".....
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I was being rheutorical.
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