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05-21-2008, 07:33 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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ya'll call me when they start baptizing right.
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I am not trying to get an 1 stepper and 3 stepper debate started here. Neverhteless, Have you ever sat back and thought about the early days of the latter day outpouring. I mean can you imagine being in a pray meeting at Azusa. I have read many stories about common women and men involved in these prayer meetings -- praying in the spirit and a man or woman from a foreign land walking in and hearing their own language (like in Acts 2).
Well all of these people were at that time trinitarians. Jesus name baptism did not become an issue for more than 8 to 5 years later.
My point in all of this is we easily brag about the topeka and azusa occurences as if these people our part of are heritage and yet they were all trinitarians. I believe strongly in Jesus name baptism (I got rebaptized in Jesus name), but I don't forget that those first oneness believers wanted to stay in the AG and they wanted to fellowship with those people.
What happens to them should concern us!
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Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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05-21-2008, 07:34 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
I have been informed that at the next General Council there will be a serious debate amongst the AGs concerning the intial evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. The majority of the AC churches that are located outside of the Bible belt are now trying to appeal to more nominal people and thus they are less and less of them in these churches who are actually receiving the Holy Spirit. This group that is moving away from the baptism of the Holy Spirit represents between 60 to 80 percent of the movement. Thus, some are speculating that things could actually boil to a head that results in the minority calling for a spliting off.
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Ah....the numbers game.Sad
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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05-21-2008, 09:47 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
I am not talking about seeker rooms. Of course everything must be done in order. What I am talking about is a friend of mine has a cousin who is one of staff at a big AG church in St Louis. He said that if someone wants to receive the Holy Ghost even during the altar call. Well then they take them to the seeker room or the prayer room.
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Lakewood Church has practiced this since the church was started. Of course, if you are having trouble speaking in tongues, they have staff members ready to help you formulate your "heavenly language".
I am sure that there are many Lakewood members who have the real Holy Ghost...it's just a shame that there are people in that church that confuse the seeker by instructing them to speak in tongues.
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05-21-2008, 10:07 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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Originally Posted by cneasttx
Oh gotcha. I was thinking about tongues and interpretation. The "seeker" rooms are for those wanting to receive the Holy Ghost.
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And I think the Corinthians were all coming together to "get a good ole fashioned dose of the Holy Ghost" They should have had a "seeker room" for those who praying in tongues. (I would include those wanting to speak in tongues - since those praying with them often utter in tongues)
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-21-2008, 10:12 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
And I think the Corinthians were all coming together to "get a good ole fashioned dose of the Holy Ghost" They should have had a "seeker room" for those who praying in tongues. (I would include those wanting to speak in tongues - since those praying with them often utter in tongues)
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Yes amen.
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05-21-2008, 11:14 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Really...??? I don't think they are eliminating this as a belief, Steve. Just whether or not it is the initial evidence ... it is still being practiced and encouraged (?). Pentocostalism is leading Christianity in growth numbers ... and the AG still remains the largest Pentecostal org ... dwarfing any Oneness org in size, resources and growth.
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I read an article by an AG professor he said the majority of the AG have NOT spoken in tongues. This is NOT the denomination of Bell, Flowers, Pinson and company. They were persecuted for preaching HGB with tongues this was the reason for their formation. They were the finished work group that preached HGB with tongues.
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05-21-2008, 11:31 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
I read an article by an AG professor he said the majority of the AG have NOT spoken in tongues. This is NOT the denomination of Bell, Flowers, Pinson and company. They were persecuted for preaching HGB with tongues this was the reason for their formation. They were the finished work group that preached HGB with tongues.
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This is sad. I am going to pray for them and us concerning this issue.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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05-21-2008, 11:43 PM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
Some who left the UPC are heading the same direction Sabin for one. Pianoman said the HGB is rarely mentioned at Christ Church. The shift seemingly never stops.
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05-22-2008, 12:15 AM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
Steve, maybe i missed it but I have been anxious for an update on you and your ministry.
If the info is not public then forget I asked of course.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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05-22-2008, 12:19 AM
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Re: AGs will debate Tongues at the next GC
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Steve, maybe i missed it but I have been anxious for an update on you and your ministry.
If the info is not public then forget I asked of course.
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I have been in revival in Nederland, Tx. for the last 7 weeks it closed tonight. I am going to Highland, Tx. beginning Sunday night. The Lord has blessed us we are scheduled through February.
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