Another reason NOT to vote for Obama

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I think the majority see the problems with Obama. But in light of what so many hard working Americans are currently going through under a Republican administration, voting for a Republican is out of the question. It's more of a vote against the Republicans than a vote for Obama. Of course partisian ideologues are blind to it.

Voting for Obama is totally out of the question!

Excellent article!

A Living Lie
By Thomas Sowell
Tuesday, April 15, 2008

Like so many others on the left, Obama rejects "stereotypes" when they are stereotypes he doesn't like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about "a typical white person" or "bitter" gun-toting, religious and racist working class people.

In politics, the clearer a statement is, the more certain it is to be followed by a "clarification," when people react adversely to what was plainly said.

Obama and his supporters were still busy "clarifying" Jeremiah Wright's very plain statements when it suddenly became necessary to "clarify" Senator Obama's own statements in San Francisco.

Obama is also part of a long tradition on the left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/T...5/a_living_lie

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Voting for Obama is totally out of the question!

Excellent article!

once again thomas sowell pegs the lib correctly, dt

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DividedThigh

once again thomas sowell pegs the lib correctly, dt

He is one sharp guy and not just on this topic!

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The system is so corrupt those who vote for either party are implicant in the destruction of America. The only real answer is to preach THE KINGDOM and make a total break from these parties in the name of all that is Holy. Imagine if the first church would have sided with one Roman political group over another? Or imagine if the Christians began supporting the Zealots, Pharisees, or Sadducees expect these parties to save society? No. Christians made a complete break dwelling under the wicked system without being part of it. More Christians today side with the DNC or the RNC more than G-O-D. Then they let the POLITICS of THIS WORLD divide BROTHERS and SISTERS. America is DOOMED as long as the Church keeps whoring around with worldly political parties like some drunken prostitute.

I'm constantly hearing the "vote for the lesser of two evils" line. What makes us think that we are so married to this corrupt system that we feel we have to vote for ANY evil?

Instead of taking a stand for a political party...why not take a stand for Christ?

Well said brother. I will be voting in the primary in my state in a couple weeks. But I know I won't be voting in the presidential election in November. I couldn't put my name down as an endorsement to what the "parties" will offer as our only options. I think this nation (world) is circling the drain in a number of ways, and we should try to reach as many as we can in the meantime.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Ferd

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04...nd-us-borders/

Why is this another reason? I wasn't going to vote for him anyway. I don't get it, what did I miss?

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by BHILL

The goverment is not a cure all for all the problems.The goverment does not owe us health care,

Do you believe a sick person has an undeniable human right to treatment?

smetimes jobs move out of the country,it's not the goverments fault when that happens,

Actually…when the government removes trade barriers that made it more cost effective to keep jobs here than move overseas it is the government’s fault. When the government offers tax breaks to companies that move jobs overseas it is the government’s fault. When the government allows corporations to move production to nations like China that undermine the value of our dollar and constantly undermines trade law it’s the government’s fault. When the government issues more work visas to foreign contractors than are necessary according to Department of Labor standards it is the government’s fault. I feel you’re terribly ignorant of the details.

Complaining about your HSA(which is the best thing going in the health care industry)doesn't help either.

The HSA is a scheme drafted between the banks and the health care industry. The fees are hilarious. I had actual HEALTH INSURANCE and I never had to fear being unable to see a doctor or take my son to the doctor. I have a good friend of mine who was on an HSA. His daughter got sick and was running a fever. They didn’t have much left in the HSA and had yet to meet their deductible so they didn’t want to waste the money on something unimportant and then have the baby get real sick later. So they called the nurse line. They got advice that it would be ok to keep the girl home and treat with children’s Tylenol, though taking her in would be best. The nurses line said if her fever lasted more than two days they should definitely bring her in. So they treated the little girl at home and everything seemed fine. Well, after the little girl got older and was enrolled in school she tested with hearing damage. They took her to be evaluated and the doctor states that she had hearing damage from a previously untreated ear infection. The doctor stated that the scar tissue looked like it may had been when she was a toddler, and that was about the time they didn’t take her in when she had the fever. My friend is convinced that if he had taken his daughter in to see the doctor when she was sick they would have spotted the ear infection and been able to treat it and prevent any hearing damage. You see…when you force people to budget their medical expenses you have to remember that they are not medical professionals and that they are going to make judgments based on what they “think” in order to save money for more “serious” health issues. If they had REAL insurance, it wouldn’t have been an issue.

I know a couple at church that has an HSA. They are responsible for the first $4000 dollars of their health care costs. Since they have no serious health issues other than some prescription medications the vast majority of their health care costs are on them. He told me, “Chris, we might as well not have health insurance.” You see…he had health insurance at one time. You can’t fool people who KNOW what it was like to have REAL health insurance.

At least you have benefits-

Yep…I’m a government employee on a government funded plan. While I have an HSA I’m more blessed than most…the government front loads my HSA deductible with $3000 each year! We’ve barely used it this year and next year we’ll get another $3000. That will completely cover my deductible leaving us $2000 to play with. We were thinking about taking out a little money out of the HSA for Christmas. LOL

I own a business and have to pay my own health ins cost and I don't want the goverment to take over health care. I used to live in Canada-They provide you health care but take more of what you earn and you might die waiting for a surgery-it takes months to get anything done.No wonder many Canadians come to the states for medical care.
Our country is still the best in the world,and I don't think everything is as bad as you say.

I go to Canada every year. We have family in Ontario and the family cottage is on Charleston Lake in Outlet. No one I know personally has had any problems with the Canadian system. However, I have heard some of the stories about folks who fell through the cracks. I believe the number of Canadians seeking health care in the US for elective or uncovered procedures was fewer than 3,000. I hear about these folks like it’s a MAJOR tragedy. If that’s a major tragedy, certainly the 50 MILLION Americans who don’t have any insurance, the 140 MILLION who are underinsured, and the 18 THOUSAND Americans who die every year from treatable conditions because they can’t get coverage for treatments should be a MAJOR concern for us. What makes the nearly 3,000 Canadians more valuable than 190,018,000 American’s who can’t get or don’t have adequate coverage? Dude…we care so much for the unborn…but once they’re born we don’t care one bit if their family doesn’t have adequate health insurance. I don’t get that. A consistent life ethic would demand the highest ethical value of human life from womb to tomb.

I was looking at Canadian business websites a while back and there were articles about business in Canada. According to this Canadian article, Canadian businesses pay less in negotiated premiums and taxation to sustain health care than American businesses do with ever rising negotiated and unsubsidized premiums. It’s kind of like a home budget. The health insurance I had would have cost me nearly $400 a month on the private market. But if I were in Canada my negotiated premium might be about $80 or $90 and the extra taxes paid might be around an extra $100 or $110. When it all comes down to it I would be paying only $190 or $200 a month in Canada for insurance that costs me $400 a month here. When businesses get to the bottom line they save money by allowing the government to contribute to health insurance because the government negotiates lower premiums and regional group rates. The article I read was talking about how Canadian businesses are bracing themselves for the boom in American business if the United States takes up universal health insurance. Once business is unshackled with carrying the bulk of health insurance coverage they will experience far more market flexibility and so will employees.

If you lived and owned a business in Canada, maybe you can offer me your perspective.

But for the record, I don't think America will ever have a system like Canada's. I believe that as more and more Americans find that they can't afford health insurance we will adopt a universal health insurance program similar to that found in France or Germany.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I vote against anyone the rest of the world likes.

Ohhhhh, now I get it. LOL!

[izzyschwartz]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I think your opinion is rather subjective. Everyone has redeeming qualities. I think his political career has been short but he’s done some good things here and there. But again, there’s a strong argument that his political experience is lacking.

Redeeming qualities? You are right, he did wear a nice pair of shoes on in one picture I saw of him. Subjective?-no my opinion is based upon the facts of his political record. What has he done? Here and there denotes that you have at least 2 good things... please name them.

[BrotherEastman]

This is what Obama should say if he ever becomes Pres:
America needs a President like this Prime Minister John Howard - Australia Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians'. 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!' 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.' 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

I love it!

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

This is what Obama should say if he ever becomes Pres:
America needs a President like this Prime Minister John Howard - Australia Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians'. 'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!' 'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian,right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.' 'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.' Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, American citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths.

I love it!

does he have u. s. political aspirations, get my vote, lol, go john howard, lol,dt