admitting you left the UPC opens you up to the idea that you are just speaking from an anti-UPC perspective, with no vested interest in its survival.... it was probably unwise to admit that fact....
That's public knowledge ... I've stated that many times Malvaro ....
I have very good friends and bonds in the fellowship ... I like many see it being hijacked and would like nothing more to see that element be exposed for what it is. No sugar coating here.
Issues that are and will be propagandized by both sides:
Holiness vs. Evangelism
Small Gov't vs. Bigger Gov't
Justice vs. Injustice
Spirituality vs. Carnality
but really it boils down to money, power, ideology and influence ...
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Daniel, this is a good post. There is a lot of truth here.
I would say money is the biggest issue you've mentioned. It is the issue everyone is overlooking in the television debate.
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The politics is being played from one side, friend. Lawsuits are being threatened by one side. If that is so, then there must be support from the one being sued, and that support is in the form of documents from both sides.
We'll see.
Get on with what?
no sir, you dont get to play this card. there is plenty of politics being played by every side. you are talking about 1 issue that is very new. we have been heading down this path since 1992.
you gonna tell me the conservitives havnt been 'playing politics'? please.
***edit, both sides have been playing politics since the merger***
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no sir, you dont get to play this card. there is plenty of politics being played by every side. you are talking about 1 issue that is very new. we have been heading down this path since 1992.
you gonna tell me the conservitives havnt been 'playing politics'? please.
***edit, both sides have been playing politics since the merger***
That's public knowledge ... I've stated that many times Malvaro ....
I have very good friends and bonds in the fellowship ... I like many see it being hijacked and would like nothing more to see that element be exposed for what it is. No sugar coating here.
This does not fit what some others see-
They see it as becoming so liberal it is destined to soon fail.
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That's public knowledge ... I've stated that many times Malvaro ....
I have very good friends and bonds in the fellowship ... I like many see it being hijacked and would like nothing more to see that element be exposed for what it is. No sugar coating here.
I dont know that I would say the UPCI has been hijacked. I do belive that someone poisoned the well and forgot to tell everybody else.
there is plenty of bad to go around.
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They see it as becoming so liberal it is destined to soon fail.
BOOM that is the problem there are several different groups that all see this vastly different from each other. I dont know that there is a right and wrong here. just a different. we got some folk talking one language and another group of folk talking another language. both dont understand why the other refueses to learn their language.
Elder Westburg played the endgame in 1992. we just didnt know it. He might have been a visionary.
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And what ideology do you suppose I am blinded by, friend? Seems you've already pegged me as something or other, though.
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Not sure where I said it wasn't a two-way street?
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Take it somewhere else ... cuz I ain't buying it ...
I ain't trying to sell you anything. I simply replied to your accusation about UC's being clowns because, apparently, they don't agree with your assessment of the situation.
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Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
And what ideology do you suppose I am blinded by, friend? Seems you've already pegged me as something or other, though.
Not sure where I said it wasn't a two-way street?
I ain't trying to sell you anything. I simply replied to your accusation about UC's being clowns because, apparently, they don't agree with your assessment of the situation.
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