As an Apostolic, are you of the Jesus Only Movement?

[livefortruth]

Isaih 9:6 states that Jesus would be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty God, everlasting father. The key to understanding mat 28:19 is acts 2:38. In the acts of the apostels it is never recorded that they used a mat 28:19 formula. In order to further understand this verse we must go to the previous for context. Jesus Christ says "all power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." If you give me all of you pay check how much do you have left? Ya. Jesus has it all. He fills all. There is only one "name" of the father, son, and holy ghost-Jesus. Buried with HIM. IN baptism. In Isaiah the LORD is speaking (jehovah or yawheh) he says to him every knee will bow and every tongue confess. The same is said about Jesus. Infact the scripture says his name is above all names that are named in Heaven and in earth. The trinity is a lie from the devil for he is the father of lies. It is paganism at it's finest. Are we going to have Jehovah and Jesus bowing to eachother. NO. The name Jesus actually means Jehovah (not likely pronunciation but it represents O.T. name of God. has become salvation or Jehovah saves. It is the culmination of all his O.T. names such as jehovah who heals you and jehovah our provider. In the 1st chapter in mathew it says " you shall call his name Jesus for he shall save HIS people from their sins" He is IMMANUEL. There is only one eloheim. It is plural but the verb is singular and any educated hebrew scholar will admit it amplifies God's majesty and potentiality and NOT ANY PERSONS. There is one God the father and one son of God named Jesus Christ who is God the father namifest in the flesh.(1tim 3:16) There is one Spirit for God is a Spirit (john 4:24) So there you have it God the father is a Spirit who was manifest in flesh as the son. He sent his son into the world. He is Father in creation, Son in redemtion, and Spirit in sactification. Do you know what the statement of faith of a hindu, mythra sun god worshiper, trinitarian, and many other paganistic religions have in common. ----I BELIEVE IN ONE GOD ETERNALY EXISTING IN THREE PERSONS... ... co equal, co eternal exetra, exetra. This is a warning and a blessed hope! Jesus is all and in all, the trinity is a lie. In deuteronomy He said you shall have no other Gods before me. In Isaiah he said beside me there is no saviour. The right hand of God is the power, strength and salvation of God, not a spatial difference. If it were he would still be traveling to get there for even the psalmist said by the inspiration of the Spirit "If I go to the depths of hell, or the bottom of the sea" "I can not escape thee" So remember God is ONE. Hallelujah!


May God bless you with understanding.

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[Joelel]

Originally Posted by COOPER

Are you Jesus Only?
We are one God, and his name is Jesus.
Am I confused here ?
I thought "The Jesus only" were a different crowd not UPC.
17 years in the UPC, I was tought to be called Jesus only was a bad thing and that we are not them.
Although because we are oneness and Baptize in the name of Jesus; were are labeled with that crowd of "The Jesus only."
Here is a view of Jesus Only at this link:
http://www.spiritualabuse.org/experi...y_sanders.html

Many say they are apostolic and are not.Not only do you have to be Jesus name to be apostolic but you must believe the full gospel the apostles preached.Apostolic means the gospel the apostles taught and preached.

[mfblume]

JESUS ONLY is a phrase that makes trinitarians think we deny Father and Holy Ghost, so I do not use it. It is misguiding. We need to ensure people do not take what we say in an incorrect manner, and using JESUS ONLY unfortunately makes people misunderstand what we believe.

If JESUS ONLY to us means that Jesus is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and we, therefore, do not deny Father and Holy Ghost at all, then that is fine. But that is not what trinitarians think when they hear "Jesus only", and it is because they do not udnerstand Jesus is Father as well as Holy Ghost. Jesus is only SON to them.

We do have to concern ourselves with what others think, at times. Why use a title that only the adherents understand? Isn't the whole point of a title supposed to be something that assists us in explaining what we believe rather than confuse people all the more? It's like saying, "I am an Alpha-Omegan". What on earth does that mean? A title should be self-explanatory.

[cliff d]

Cooper hears a little something to try to wrap your mind around give some thought....please reply with what you think.

God is Father in creation
Son in redemption
Holy Ghost in infilling emanation
There are not 3 seprate persons but 3 manifestations of the one God.

[PMBrown]

I am "Jesus Name", not "Jesus Only". There is actually a difference between the conotations of all three: Oneness, Jesus Name, and Jesus Only.

[doc77]

they still use the logo

[Sabby]

Originally Posted by mfblume

JESUS ONLY is a phrase that makes trinitarians think we deny Father and Holy Ghost, so I do not use it. It is misguiding. We need to ensure people do not take what we say in an incorrect manner, and using JESUS ONLY unfortunately makes people misunderstand what we believe.

If JESUS ONLY to us means that Jesus is Father, Son and Holy Ghost, and we, therefore, do not deny Father and Holy Ghost at all, then that is fine. But that is not what trinitarians think when they hear "Jesus only", and it is because they do not udnerstand Jesus is Father as well as Holy Ghost. Jesus is only SON to them.

We do have to concern ourselves with what others think, at times. Why use a title that only the adherents understand? Isn't the whole point of a title supposed to be something that assists us in explaining what we believe rather than confuse people all the more? It's like saying, "I am an Alpha-Omegan". What on earth does that mean? A title should be self-explanatory.

MB, not only that, but the term Jesus Only is a misnomer and deprecation in some trinitarian (not all) circles; in some cases it is just sheer ignorance of apostolic doctrine.
I left the UPC and attempted to fellowship "others" that were trinitarian. Once I identified myself as former United Pentecostal I was asked at least on three different occasions if that meant I was Jesus Only. They were only parrotting what they had been "taught", much like we have done (at times) concerning trinitarians that believe in "three gods".

[SRM]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes it could be said that I am Jesus only.

36: Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ. Acts 2:36

If you know the Hebrew for "Lord and Christ" it becomes clear.

Question..If God had not made Jesus "Lord and Christ" would He be?

Have you ever consider the HUGE difference between ADONI and ADONAI?
Psalms 110:1 quoted some 30 times in the NT yet it is unfortunate scholars did not make the effort to distinguish the difference between LORD and lord

The LORD{God YHWH} said unto my lord{Messiah} David said..

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SRM

Question..If God had not made Jesus "Lord and Christ" would He be?

Have you ever consider the HUGE difference between ADONI and ADONAI?
Psalms 110:1 quoted some 30 times in the NT yet it is unfortunate scholars did not make the effort to distinguish the difference between LORD and lord

The LORD{God YHWH} said unto my lord{Messiah} David said..

Being made Lord and Christ refers to Christ in His Humanity. Lord means master. Christ was our Messiah and Master.

You can't make someone Yahweh...to begin with this means at some point Christ was not Yahweh. It also means then Christ was another person FROM Yahweh and then being made Yahweh violates Yahweh's own word about another God being formed after Him

Jesus was not MADE Yahweh. He had always BEEN Yahweh in Person and was incarnate into a human form and so AS a human and humbling Himself and limiting Himself to mere humanity he needed to be given power...and he was

[bozo80]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know anyone that actually does that. That's not Oneness. Rather that's what we are accused of

I like this Praxeas!