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Old 02-07-2008, 12:48 AM
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur

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She's going to perform in a building that is called a 'church' and supposedly is to be used to worship God. By appearing there she is 'affirming' their position whether she wants to or not. Is she going to present the bad news of their lifestyle and the good news that God can save and change their orientation? I'd really be surprised if she does.

This is the extreme opposite of Fred Phelps.....and just as dangerous.
Exactly.
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:50 AM
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I agree with you Renda...BTW wasn't Jesus often criticized by the Pharisees for associating and eating with publicans and sinners?
Jesus didn't sing songs to them! He taught them the truth. He did not just lovey dovey all the time. He preached against sin. His words convicted people to repent. Those same sinners were wanting to hear the truth and be converted..those gays believe they HAVE the truth and are already converted....you guys really don't get it
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:56 AM
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Jesus came not to call the righteous, but the sinners to repentance. I think it is a sin for Apostolics to only eat, fellowship and minister to Apostolics.

You guys don't read the same Bible I do.

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I predict you are going to hate the responses you get. You do this often Sister and you end up regretting it. This is just the dumbest post I have seen in a while. A sin to eat and fellowship with other Apostolics...do you know what the word FELLOWSHIP means?

We are commanded to FELLOWSHIP with each other and break bread. It's NOT a sin. Good grief. We are commanded on the other hand to preach the word to sinners...not eat with them. If we eat with them the purpose is not fellowship but to get a chance to teach them the word of truth.

BTW we are commanded also to pray for one another....count how many verses we are commanded to pray for sinners and then the ones we are to pray for each other and see the total....

And it needs to be repeated but in this case these are people who have already heard preaching. Have already heard teaching. Already know what the bible says on that lifestyle and have rejected it to believe God wouldn't do that to someone that was born that way therefore the scriptures must not really be saying what they clearly say.

We are not talking about gays in the street that are unrepented sinners who never go to church or believe in God. We are talking about people who go to church regularly and believe God is ok with their lifestyle.
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No, Jesus personally went , without a witness, to the Well to purposely meet with the Samaritan woman who was guilty of adultery! Boy, we could gossip about that a while.
He did not go there to sing songs WITH her and worship God WITH her as though she was alright...He brought a message that revealed the sins of hear heart. He did not put her arm around her and ignore her sins and say "Lets just worship GOd together and fellowship"
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Old 02-07-2008, 12:59 AM
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One plants, another waters, but GOD gives the increase. God left the woman of Samaria with the choice.

Hum...what a thought.
SHe is going there to sing songs. Not preach against homosexuality.
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He that is without sin...cast the first stone.
pathetic. Here we have a woman that said it is a sin for Apostolics to fellowship with Apostolics and now we have this?

Rhoni do you realize there are homosexuals that think it is OK to have sex with the same sex that call themselves Apostolic too?

Darkness really is creeping in on us
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Personally I don't think a Christian should sing at a church that promotes Homosexuality as acceptable,just like a Christian shouldn't sing in a Honky Tonk.
See we are not talking about singing songs at a park where Homosexuals hang out. We are talking about a church that promotes homosexual lifestyles being OK with God. They are theologically screwed up and have already heard all the scriptures and have come up with their own pat answers for them
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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur

I stand by it . . . she is anointed.

However, I would not be doing this gig. With full band it's $20,000, so maybe money raises its head again.

"Some" say her road manager is a bit "alternative". Travis . . .if not gay, is missing a good chance.
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Old 02-07-2008, 01:29 AM
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Let's see: We began by judging the homeosexuals, to CeCe Winanas, to judging where and who people minister to. Can we think of anyone else we'd like to judge before we rule and reign with Christ in the New Jerusalem?
Amazing...saying they need to repent makes us judges...

Nobody judged CeCe either. We agreed she should not go there. In fact some of the ones that said that agreed she is anointed and filled with the Spirit.

Rhoni, with all due respect, but you don't have a clue what the word "judge" means if you think it covers having an opinion that she should not go worship with Christian gays that have openly rejected the bible call to repent of that lifestyle and

Finally...judgment?

1Pe 4:17 For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God?

1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans, for a man has his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you.
1Co 5:3 For though absent in body, I am present in spirit; and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment on the one who did such a thing.

1Jn 5:16 If anyone sees his brother committing a sin not leading to death, he shall ask, and God will give him life--to those who commit sins that do not lead to death. There is sin that leads to death; I do not say that one should pray for that.
1Jn 5:17 All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.

The bible is full of judging

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
In fact Jesus said
Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

We are to try the spirits Rhoni. It's not wrong.

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Re: CeCe Winans under fire for singing at Gay chur

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With that said, I don't feel like we should be apprehensive with evangelizing the gay/lesbian community by showing them the love of Christ. A person would not be considered a bigot or labled intolerant if they approached the sinner with love and wisdom. What examples of grace could the homosexual be afforded when they have been shown disgust, hatred and fear?
Nobody is saying we should not evangelize the homosexual community. This is NOT "the homosexual community"..this is church full of gays that believe they are christians and that God approves of gay sex. They know the scriptures....there is not gonna be an evangelistic message after her singing calling them to repent and come out of that lifestyle.
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