Yes, but anyone who breaks a civil law (whether because of religious convictions or for any other reason) should pay whatever the penalty is for breaking that law.
If I as a Christian believe that God does not want me to get a driver's license because that would be supporting a "satanic" government, then I as a Christian should be ready to face whatever the penalty is for driving without a license.
If I as a Christian believe that I should bomb an abortion clinic, then I as a Christian should be ready to face whatever the penalty is for destroying property, inducing panic, and whatever other charges I may face.
An example we had here locally a few years ago was a minister who was a pacifist. He believed that taking a life for any reason was wrong. He believed it was wrong for him to support a government with his taxes if that government was going to take lives. So, he did not pay federal income taxes to support defense. I don't know if he refused to pay all federal taxes or just the percent that went to the defense budget. He also picketed and demonstrated government buildings and General Electric because GE received defense budget money. He was arrested for trespassing and also for non payment of income taxes many times. I don't agree with this man's beliefs but he was refusing to obey civil laws because they would force him to break (his understanding) of God's laws. Because he broke civil laws he spent time in jail.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Yes, but anyone who breaks a civil law (whether because of religious convictions or for any other reason) should pay whatever the penalty is for breaking that law.
If I as a Christian believe that God does not want me to get a driver's license because that would be supporting a "satanic" government, then I as a Christian should be ready to face whatever the penalty is for driving without a license.
If I as a Christian believe that I should bomb an abortion clinic, then I as a Christian should be ready to face whatever the penalty is for destroying property, inducing panic, and whatever other charges I may face.
I don't think you are understanding what I'm asking you.
We were talking about a chip implant in the right upper arm area. You said that you would accept that chip if it became law. You then referenced Romans and Peter and spoke about keeping moral laws and obeying what God prescribes in his word. What you then offered me in this post talks about deranged lunatics blowing up innocent people and individuals who don't want I.D. or driver's licenses.
What I wanted to get at is that a Muslim has right within the statutes of our society. He or she is free to enjoy the freedoms that this country grants its citizens. He can build places of worship and be tax exempt, acquire a 501c3 for his incorporations that involve his religion.
You and I have rights to assembly and so does a Muslim.
You and I have a right to dress in the fashion we want ( although you may do it a little stranger one time a year) a Muslim is free to do the same also.
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Originally Posted by Sam
An example we had here locally a few years ago was a minister who was a pacifist. He believed that taking a life for any reason was wrong. He believed it was wrong for him to support a government with his taxes if that government was going to take lives. So, he did not pay federal income taxes to support defense. I don't know if he refused to pay all federal taxes or just the percent that went to the defense budget. He also picketed and demonstrated government buildings and General Electric because GE received defense budget money. He was arrested for trespassing and also for non payment of income taxes many times. I don't agree with this man's beliefs but he was refusing to obey civil laws because they would force him to break (his understanding) of God's laws. Because he broke civil laws he spent time in jail.
Sounds like this man with all his zeal didn't apply much wisdom to his religious actions. I have heard of those who will not seek medical care for children and let a sick child linger in pain because of some conviction only to have the child expire due to their refusal for medical attention.
In those cases we have people who are not using their religious freedoms correctly, and cross over to acts that are not covered by Federal or State laws.
Freedom of religion is granted to every American citizen and I believe that everyone has a right to practice and worship in whatever way the deem proper, should be defended.
If I don't speak out for their rights, I may someday lose mine.
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Why couldn't she have a plain black unitard made, so the colors don't interfere with school rules? The guy said, "a single-solid color and unadorned, except for a single school name or insignia no more than 2 1/4 inches."
This is really not an issue of religious persecution, because if they were allowing her to wear the body-covering unitard out of respect for her religious beliefs, then she should have returned the favor by making sure it was a solid color in compliance with the rules of the meet.
I don't see anywhere in this article where she was asked to take off her unitard. She was asked to wear one that was plain. Since when do Muslims have a problem wearing plain or black or plain black?
I was wondering the same thing, but the bigger question is, why did they allow her to wear that one for three years without a problem?
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I was wondering the same thing, but the bigger question is, why did they allow her to wear that one for three years without a problem?
I don't know, but I do know that 12th grade events in all categories are often more rigid, with the upcoming college offers, etc.
Regardless, if there was a change, wouldn't her coach have informed her, and if not, why not? Was she sabotaged by the guy in charge of the meet or by her own school?
Or, was she informed, and then refused to get a new uniform since it was allowed in previous events?
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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I don't know, but I do know that 12th grade events in all categories are often more rigid, with the upcoming college offers, etc.
Regardless, if there was a change, wouldn't her coach have informed her, and if not, why not? Was she sabotaged by the guy in charge of the meet or by her own school?
Or, was she informed, and then refused to get a new uniform since it was allowed in previous events?
Personally, I was surprised to find that it wasn't black, as that's what I expected to find, but you have good questions. It would be interesting to find out the answers.
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I don't know, but I do know that 12th grade events in all categories are often more rigid, with the upcoming college offers, etc.
Regardless, if there was a change, wouldn't her coach have informed her, and if not, why not? Was she sabotaged by the guy in charge of the meet or by her own school?
Or, was she informed, and then refused to get a new uniform since it was allowed in previous events?
It was by the guy in charge of the meet according to the article. But she was also offered an acceptable solution which she didn't want to do. I believe it was a white t-shirt with no logo on it over her suit. She refused.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
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