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Coonskinner · #51 12-08-2007, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I agree that folks will have to choose one or the other ... however if this option is open even for a short while ... it will be interesting to see how this double-dipping dynamic will work and if it will have effects in elections.

True.

If I could have my way about it, I would like to see the double dipping option, as you call it, remain viable for as long as possible, and the new alliance could be a means of mobilizing voters to attend GC's and make their voices heard.

SDG · #52 12-08-2007, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

True.

If I could have my way about it, I would like to see the double dipping option, as you call it, remain viable for as long as possible, and the new alliance could be a means of mobilizing voters to attend GC's and make their voices heard.

This could be nipped ....

If the UPCI chooses to eliminate this option on their end.

Either by placing some of the Tulsa group leadership under question w/ the cooperation of DS's and their boards ....

or

pressuring those w/ dual membership to "make up their" minds through other methods.

Those in leadership may explore these options so they can preserve their livelihoods.

SDG · #53 12-08-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

In response to BOOM. JC is not leaving the UPC. He is conservative from his up bringing but through the years he has become more of a moderate.
His Church would not be considered con at all. It is what I'd call "normal" UPC but not con or lib.

In reponse to DA: You're right. numbers are numbers....but you know as well as I do that numbers mean A LOT in the UPC.

IF Haney starts promoting JC a lot and people hear that he's taken a church fom 300 too over 700 in less than 3 years....it's going to get people's attention. Especially since the Church doesn't stop growing. JMO

JC is still in my mind very conservative .... perhaps his view on technology puts him in the center?

JC has always been an expert on church planting ... he was seeing phenomenal growth in VA before his stint in the Vatican.

I don't know if expertise on growing a local church relates to being the next GS.... will this be enough ... especially under the current political climate?.

ChicagoPastor · #54 12-08-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

JC is still in my mind very conservative .... perhaps his view on technology puts him in the center?

JC has always been an expert on church planting ... he was seeing phenomenal growth in VA before his stint in the Vatican.

I don't know if expertise on growing a local church relate to being the next GS.... will this be enough ... especially under the current climate?.

He's not 'liberal' minded but he's not anywhere close to be ultra-con.

Not saying his growing a local church will be the premise upon which he is elected however I think it will get people talking...

What will give him a thrust to being a potential candidate is his leadership as the National Leader of Global Impact.

Coonskinner · #55 12-08-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

This could be nipped ....

If the UPCI chooses to eliminate this option on their end.

Either by placing some of the Tulsa group leadership under question w/ the cooperation of DS's and their boards ....

or

pressuring those w/ dual membership to "make up their" minds through other methods.

Those in leadership may explore these options so they can preserve their livelihoods.

The absolute worst thing the UPC could do is put the Tulsa men under question.

If they did that, the indignation generated by such an act would send men running toward Tulsa in droves, and I would be leading the charge.

It would be nice, if in the aftermath of such a grievous self-inflicted wound, we could see cool heads prevail on both sides of the divide.

ChicagoPastor · #56 12-08-2007, 10:12 AM

He's my opinion on the Global Impact Initiative.
The whole program is about evangelizing, teaching home Bible studies and growing Churches.
WHICH dept. should be in charge of such an initiative? The obvious choice is the Home Mission Department........however it was NOT put under their leadership.
Haney went and brought back "a blast from the past" lol in JC.
Why? I don't think he trusted that the current HM admin could handle the program.

The current HM admin. is said to be against crusades, and are always downplaying numbers....which is the complete opposite of JC's admin. where crusades were the norm.

The only reason there are HG crusades at GC is becuase Bro. Haney wants them, not Coon.

rooted · #57 12-08-2007, 10:12 AM

ChicagoPastor...
In addition to JC taking the current church that has grown, in Newport News, VA he took a church with 1 member (an elderly lady) and built the church to well over 300...souls are a part of who he is...in addition, JC is a preachers friend and a mentor to many young ministers...and based upon the numbers that is something that the UPC is lacking

ChicagoPastor · #58 12-08-2007, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner

The absolute worst thing the UPC could do is put the Tulsa men under question.

If they did that, the indignation generated by such an act would send men running toward Tulsa in droves, and I would be leading the charge.

It would be nice, if in the aftermath of such a grievous self-inflicted wound, we could see cool heads prevail on both sides of the divide.

Coon,
please note: I am not accusing just giving a "what if" scenario

IF the Tulsa men started to make any kind of effort of calling and encouraging men to leave the UPC and join the Tulsa group, I think the UPC would have the right to put the Tulsa movement "under question"

Coonskinner · #59 12-08-2007, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

Coon,
please note: I am not accusing just giving a "what if" scenario

IF the Tulsa men started to make any kind of effort of calling and encouraging men to leave the UPC and join the Tulsa group, I think the UPC would have the right to put the Tulsa movement "under question"

On this we disagree.

Should the ALJC declare a UPC pastor out of bounds of fellowship if the pastor encourages an ALJC friend of his to join the UPC?

Organizations are not local churches with unscrupulous pastors trying to proselyte.

That parallel doesn't work.

I think a preacher ought to be free to join whatever organization he wants to join.

Why be so territorial and defensive and vindictive?

ChicagoPastor · #60 12-08-2007, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rooted

ChicagoPastor...
In addition to JC taking the current church that has grown, in Newport News, VA he took a church with 1 member (an elderly lady) and built the church to well over 300...souls are a part of who he is...in addition, JC is a preachers friend and a mentor to many young ministers...and based upon the numbers that is something that the UPC is lacking

JC has started a new program called Timothy Group. net (don't know if the website is up yet) It's been in exsistance for two years. Some of you that are associated with him or the old HM admin will remember Barnabas group? It's the same thing, but with a different name and it's more involved.

It is a mentorship program for young ministers and/or aspiring ministers.
Twice a year he meets with these men, doesn't charge them anything, gives them food and lodging.
He and two other friends mentor and teach the young men.

They committ to helping the young men start out in the ministry.