Should Christians be allowed to Drive Cars or Fly Planes?

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Originally Posted by Ferd

I knew you werent a preterist! LOL!

Hey, wait a minute. Watch whom you associate that dude with! LOL

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I'm no preterist... but have either of you looked at the visions of Revelation 4 - onward as following the template of the Yom Kippur rites? I think mfblume touches on this with the quote he offers.

The "30 minutes of silence" is the offering of the blood in the Most Holy and then according to the Talmud the censer was then thrown out of the Holy Place and crashed upon the pavement of the Court.

I went through a study of this with some Messianic Oneness folks sometime ago and then later heard the simular approach being taught by a SDA professor. Basically, the Yom Kippur service is the template for all of the visionary elements of Revelation. To understand the visions (in any school of prophetic interpretation) you have to first run the whole thing through Leviticus 16 and Leviticus 23 (and other related passages).

That is how we are to study Revelation as a whole. That has been what I believe was my whole key to reading Revelation for a while now.

Exactly! In fact I came to preterism after having seen that the need to see the atonement in Revelation.

I wrote a book about the issue, outside of anything to do with preterism. TAKE A BITE OF ETERNAL LIFE. I saw how the lamb approaching the throne where no man was fit to go, when Christ as High Priest entering the most holy place to make atonement. Like the most holy place, the throne area was where no man was allowed to go but the high priest. And the cherubims around the throne represent the veil upon which were embroidered cherubims, acting as a BARRIER to anyone but the high priest, in approaching the ark of the covenant's mercyseat, which represents the throne of God.

Similarly, the garden of Eden had a barrier of cherubims, showing us that the temple is a MODEL OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN. And it is a huge message, from front to back of the bible, about how we are coming back to God, or returning to the GARDEN OF EDEN fellowship with God from whcih we fell through Adam's sin.

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I'm no preterist... but have either of you looked at the visions of Revelation 4 - onward as following the template of the Yom Kippur rites? I think mfblume touches on this with the quote he offers.

The "30 minutes of silence" is the offering of the blood in the Most Holy and then according to the Talmud the censer was then thrown out of the Holy Place and crashed upon the pavement of the Court.

I went through a study of this with some Messianic Oneness folks sometime ago and then later heard the simular approach being taught by a SDA professor. Basically, the Yom Kippur service is the template for all of the visionary elements of Revelation. To understand the visions (in any school of prophetic interpretation) you have to first run the whole thing through Leviticus 16 and Leviticus 23 (and other related passages).

Fascinating ....

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I'm no preterist... but have either of you looked at the visions of Revelation 4 - onward as following the template of the Yom Kippur rites? I think mfblume touches on this with the quote he offers.

The "30 minutes of silence" is the offering of the blood in the Most Holy and then according to the Talmud the censer was then thrown out of the Holy Place and crashed upon the pavement of the Court.

I went through a study of this with some Messianic Oneness folks sometime ago and then later heard the simular approach being taught by a SDA professor. Basically, the Yom Kippur service is the template for all of the visionary elements of Revelation. To understand the visions (in any school of prophetic interpretation) you have to first run the whole thing through Leviticus 16 and Leviticus 23 (and other related passages).

What end time theory did this Messianic Oneness folks hold to? Were they preterists?

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Fascinating ....

Indeed! Everything in Revelation has been taken from the Old Testament. Chapter 5, with the lamb and the sealed book is, itself, a conglomeration of at least four (I cannot recall the fifth I saw) Old Testament stories.

1) Atonement ritual of the High Priest.

2) Noah's ark where the covenant (sealed book) was given to Noah on a mountain across water (crystal sea) where the rainbow emblazoned the sky.

3) Passover... the Lamb's blood redeemed those who claimed it.

4) Jeremiah's sealed evidence in Jer. 32.

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Oh, the fifth is the Garden of Eden story.

5) Past cherubims, the book was taken and offered to John in Rev 10 to eat, like the fruit of life.

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

Not knowingly, the Word say "No man knows the day nor the hour"..........

But you know that it could happen at anytime, and therefore you are knowingly putting life in danger.

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Originally Posted by Sister Truth Seeker

I just voted and have to say I am 'SHOCKED' at how many say they do not believe in the rapture...really? Are they kidding? Is this whole thread a joke, and I am not getting it?

Some may be taking it as a joke... but I didn't start it to be a joke... I think there are some serious questions here... If I've ever joked in a thread, I quickly let folks know a few post later so they didn't misunderstand me...

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I say there is definitely a rapture. How can one miss an actual and physical resurrection in 1 Cor 15, when the chapter speaks of Jesus physically rising, and Phil 3:21 says our BODIES shall be fashioned like unto his glorious body?

But there will not be any cars left to crash into anyone, because when the rapture occurs, there is also at the same time the resurrection of damnation, or the resurrection of the unjust. And then is the white throne judgment.

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Originally Posted by Revelationist

Should Christians be allowed to drive cars, fly planes or do other critical things? I mean, if the Rapture takes place, look at all the problems that will be caused. Shouldn't we as Christians and having love for people, would we not want to spare the world of all the deaths that we will cause when the Rapture takes place? How do you vote?

Absolutely not!