Charles Parham "sick to his stomach" Over Azusa?

[ChicagoPastor]

how long ago was Fudge's book written?

[pelathais]

Fudge got caught up in a battle over academic freedom in his department and resigned rather rashly. He didn't agree with the anti-holocaust views expressed by the student, but he wanted the views to be treated and handled in an academic fashion. Instead, the student in question was expelled for questioning the extent of the holocaust.

Fudge studies heretics. It seems to me that he may have been excited to find a "modern day heretic" right in his own department and wanted to treat the whole thing as an academic affair. And then when the young man was summarily expelled, Fudge became angry with his employers.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

how long ago was Fudge's book written?

2003 it was published. But the interviews behind it date back to the 1990's. C.H. Yadon was quoted extensively and he passed away in 1997.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

how long ago was Fudge's book written?

About 6 or 7 years ago really every preacher in Pentecost needs this book although it is prejudiced it is also informing particularly concerning the PCI contribution of the merger of the UPC. And the conflict with the AS letter.

[ChicagoPastor]

is this book written to "denounce" the Oneness doctrine??

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

is this book written to "denounce" the Oneness doctrine??

Not "Oneness", but the "Water and Spirit" or "3 stepper" way.

It really doesn't denounce anything in the end. Even L. Westberg gets high praise from Fudge.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

is this book written to "denounce" the Oneness doctrine??

No it shows the contrast between the thinking of the leaders of the PCI and the PAJC. The leadership of the PCU (not all but the majority) believed salvation took place at repentance and that baptism did NOT remit sins and the HGB was for power and service not the new birth. Goss-Gurley-Yadon-Reed-the Atlantic district(not all but most).

[ChicagoPastor]

OK, you guys are inspring me to do a little more study on Pentecostal History.
I'm going to get Fudge's Book and the book Charisma put out about the Azuza Centential (Epley recommends it)

Is the book Fred Foster wrote pretty good?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I think that is incorrect I do not believe she recanted I meant to bring that book home with me with her picture as a old lady. Howard Goss said Parham baptized him in Jesus Name.

On page 11, Fudge says,

The days of glory were fated to be short lived. On 5 January one of the students, Samuel J. Riggins, defected and his caustic opinion was published in the local papers. ‘I believe the whole of them are crazy . . . . I never saw anything like it. They were racing around the room talking and gesticulating and using this strange and senseless language which they claim is the word from the Most High.’10 Riggins categorically denounced the alleged experience of speaking unlearned world languages or in tongues as a preposterous ‘fake.’11 Bethel Bible School did not last long.

By July ‘Stone’s Folly’ was sold and within six months burned to the ground under mysterious circumstances.12 One by one Parham’s students departed. Agnes Ozman renounced her experiences in the upper room. The rejected, but not dejected, prophet left Topeka.13

He quotes:
"Robert Mapes Anderson, Vision of the Disinherited: The Making of American Pentecostalism (New York and Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1979), 57–8
and Goff, Fields White unto Harvest, 85–6."

My copy of Anderson's book is on its way and should arrive before Christmas. I want to fact check this.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ChicagoPastor

OK, you guys are inspring me to do a little more study on Pentecostal History.
I'm going to get Fudge's Book and the book Charisma put out about the Azuza Centential (Epley recommends it)

Is the book Fred Foster wrote pretty good?

You will not regret it. Remember it is certainly slanted but a very good source book really one of a kind. My only regret is he gets some of the money. He is a teacher at an Anglican college in New Zealand I think?