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Old 12-01-2007, 11:42 PM
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Legalism is an incessantly marching mercenary.
As long as men desire power, it will exist.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:43 PM
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Sad. I watched the author desperately try and defend it in a symposium. Sad.
You can't successfully defend untruths.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:44 PM
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For the record I don't believe in a clergy and laity division.
I believe in a Royal priesthood of believers though there are different callings and responsibilities in the church all people borned of God have equal access to our Lord.
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Well we can disagree in love.Personally I feel like the church went underground.But this not a test of fellowship or salvation I can have an opinion,and I can be wrong.
No argument from me on that, Brother Scott. It's just the gymnastics that others of our brethren have done is kind of troubling. like "Ancient Champions of Oneness."
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All I can say is... you're funny.
JL Hall, noted UPCI historian, theologian and apologist has just published a book entitled "Restoring the Apostolic Faith: History of the Early Pentecostal Movement" where he theorizes of the restoration impulse that has restored things to the original church structure. He essentially debunks the theory held by some OP historians, like M. Arnold, regarding "remnant" history ... in which some claim OPs have survived throughout each generation .... both theories in my opinion have flaws.

Halls assertions about the subsequent apostasy sounds very much like the Mormons.
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Old 12-01-2007, 11:46 PM
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No argument from me on that, Brother Scott. It's just the gymnastics that others of our brethren have done is kind of troubling. like "Ancient Champions of Oneness."
Pelathais,

Do you consider Luther a great reformer?
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Was he a great reformer, or not?

I categorically reject the notion that there has always been a Oneness Pentecostal presence throughout history. We would not exist as Pentecostals without Luther's contributions.
Then there was a time when the body of Christ did not exist on the earth. If Paul could use Elijah's story of a "remnant" that existed to point to a remnant of Israelites that were not blinded and did not stumble at Christ then we can use the same analogy and say there has always been a remnant of true believers throughout history.

...His truth endures to all generations.
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And I am only trying to show that Catholicism exists even within our own ranks.


We may need a healer, but we definitely need a reformation.
I'll go you one better alot of the organizations structures are based on a RCC set-up.
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No argument from me on that, Brother Scott. It's just the gymnastics that others of our brethren have done is kind of troubling. like "Ancient Champions of Oneness."
The Jews were ancient champions of the oneness of God, but not in the sense that OP's consider themselves as 'Oneness'.
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Wow....some people appear bipolar.
We've all got a little Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde in is... some more of one than the other...
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