The Sabbath Day, Should You Keep or not Keep?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esaias

James never offered a CHOICE between "keep the law, ALL of it" on one hand and "just love everybody" on the other hand. He simply pointed out that breaking any commandment makes you a transgressor or criminal.

James was not referring to "according the Scripture in Matthew....". He was referring to Leviticus 19:18. Jesus taught "love thy neighbour" was the summary and point of the commandments. John reaffirms this approach to the Torah - if you fulfill the Torah commands IN ACCORDANCE WITH AND IN AGREEMENT WITH the scripture that says "love thy neighbor as thyself".

In other words, James is saying the same thing Jesus said. Neither were making a dichotomy between obeying God's commandments and "love", but that the commandments explain HOW to love and that love is the point and purpose of the commandments.

Including the fourth.

But you don't keep the Law though. You guys always have an excuse as to why you don't keep it in its entirety.

Look, maybe y'all could do us all a favor and just convert to Judaism. Why complicate it with all this Jesus and grace stuff, right?

[Aquila]

The Scripture is rather clear...

Romans 13:8-10 King James Version (KJV)
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; AND IF THERE BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Transcend the carnality of the Law and live a life in the Spirit.

Or... keep the Law if you think Christ wasn't enough.

[Steven Avery]

It seems to me clear that when James and Paul list some of the ten commandments, that is simply shorthand for all the commandments. They are not saying that these are the important two or three or four of the decalogue.

This used to be the standard Christian Reformation heritage exegesis. Today we live in the antinomian age, and looking for outs is the name of the game.

And, to give a news example, many Christians are not concerned whether Roy Moore really kept the ten (e.g. did he keep the sabbath?), they are concerned that the 10 commandments should not stand in the historic position of centrality of Biblical faith. The 10 commandments are, to modern pablum Christianity, whether Baptist or Pentecostal or other, often only a relic. Those in deliberate and conscious rebellion to the authority of the decalogue, Old Covenant and New, I believe have a mistaken sense of the scriptures.

Steven

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

And I did mean to ask you, when did atonement occur? If not at the cross.

Follow the high priest's ritual to learn the reality of it. The atonement was not made at the moment of sacrifice but after the death occurred. The blood was taken into the holiest and that was when atonement occurred. Hebrews 9 says Jesus entered by his own blood into heaven. That was after his resurrection. Then he made atonement.

And the key issue is not that Luke said that the women kept the sabbath, but that they kept it "according to the commandment", words given to Luke by the Holy Spirit.

Luke 23:56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments;
and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

Why else would any body who believed they must keep sabbath do so?

So, no, you have not answered the question until you specifically say why the Holy Spirit says "according to the commandment" after the crucifixion and the shedding of the blood of Jesus (which landed upon the mercy seat, I believe, when the earthquake opened up the ground under Golgotha.)

Why would the Holy Spirit say that the sabbath was kept "according to the commandment" if, as you say, the sabbath had been done away with at the cross?

Yours in Jesus,
Steven

If people did not know sabbath was no longer in effect, and they felt they had to keep it accirding to commandment then we'd be told they kept it according to commandment. I believe you're reading far more into that than is intended.

People went to the temple after the cross too, though that was ineffective and was according to law.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

It seems to me clear that when James and Paul list some of the ten commandments, that is simply shorthand for all the commandments. They are not saying that these are the important two or three or four of the decalogue.

This used to be the standard Christian Reformation heritage exegesis. Today we live in the antinomian age, and looking for outs is the name of the game.

And, to give a news example, many Christians are not concerned whether Roy Moore really kept the ten (e.g. did he keep the sabbath?), they are concerned that the 10 commandments should not stand in the historic position of centrality of Biblical faith. The 10 commandments are, to modern pablum Christianity, whether Baptist or Pentecostal or other, often only a relic. Those in deliberate and conscious rebellion to the authority of the decalogue, Old Covenant and New, I believe have a mistaken sense of the scriptures.

Steven

Love goes beyond the Ten Commandments. In fact, the Ten Commandments are rather basement level of "righteousness". They don't even mention caring for poor, clothing the naked, caring for the sick, or visiting the widow and the orphan in their distress.

Love demands infinitely more than the Ten Commandments do. Those who don't believe that love demands more, clearly don't understand the divine love we're called to.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Follow the high priest's ritual to learn the reality of it. The atonement was not made at the moment of sacrifice but after the death occurred. The blood was taken into the holiest and that was when atonement occurred. Hebrews 9 says Jesus entered by his own blood into heaven. That was after his resurrection. Then he made atonement.


Why else would any body who believed they must keep sabbath do so?


If people did not know sabbath was no longer in effect, and they felt they had to keep it accirding to commandment then we'd be told they kept it according to commandment. I believe you're reading far more into that than is intended.

People went to the temple after the cross too, though that was ineffective and was according to law.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

2) the context of the verses is the holy days, new moon and feast day sabbaths, ordinances that are types and shadows. The seventh-day sabbath and the decalogue is not even in the verses.

It said SABBATHS. Period.

That's all of them.

Simple.

3) the verse is being read with glasses, in reverse, or at best one-sided. No man should judge your proper keeping of those days.

You are looking for your belief in the passage rather than letting the passage teach you. It's obvious to a non-biased person who holds no view at all if they read this to see sabbaths are a shadow of Jesus, so don't let people judge you in efforts to urge you to keep them. That's especially true after noting the cross did away with ordinances. There's no hint of keeping them "properly". That a really reaching addition.

No further word needed. And you were worried about a long drawn out series of posts.

[Steven Avery]

Again, it comes down to the surprise of Christians fighting the 10 commandments, which include the creation-7th-day sabbath. That is the story, morning glory.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Steven Avery

Again, it comes down to the surprise of Christians fighting the 10 commandments, which include the creation-7th-day sabbath. That is the story, morning glory.

No. We keep the fourth commandment more than you do. Jesus is the true sabbath that casts the shadow of the day. I come to Him and find rest.

[Esaias]

lol