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Old 03-31-2018, 02:17 PM
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Re: "Beards are sin!" False doctrine?

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So far, based on this thread, what I'm getting is this:

-Beards are NOT sin.
-There isn't a single Scripture that would prohibit beards.
-Teaching that beards are sin is a false doctrine.
-Good Holy Ghost filled men often have beards.
-Standards against beards are based purely on pastoral opinion.
-This does trouble many men with beards.
-A pastor should be able to set platform standards that alienate men with beards, though beards aren't sin.
-Men with beards are often suspected of pride, rebellion, and legalism.
-Some believe a pastor can set any standard in church, even without biblical foundation.
-Some believe a pastor has a responsibility to only set standards founded on Scripture.
-Men with beards seem to have a stronger impulse to turn to the Bible and abandon the unbiblical traditions of men, making them suspect to those who have sold out to the status quo.
Let us also consider this for the "platform standard" believers. They are admitting beards are not a sin. None of them even admit to EVER hearing it called a sin. So they reason someone can warm a pew that has a beard and he is not commiting a sin, he's just not "respectable" enough to set foot on the holy platform.

OK.

Next question is if they are not "respectable" enough to stand on the holy platform, how is it they ARE respectable enough to sit in one of their pews? If their is something about them that is NOT respectable, why should they even be allowed to stay in the Church?
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:22 PM
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We just saw the movie "Paul". It was good, better than most Christian movies. Paul, Luke and all the Christian men had beards. The Romans had none.
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Old 03-31-2018, 02:40 PM
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We just saw the movie "Paul". It was good, better than most Christian movies. Paul, Luke and all the Christian men had beards. The Romans had none.
Because everything you see in movies are real and 100% accurate.

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Clement of Alexandria, Paedogogus, Book III:

But for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect, to arrange his hair at the looking-glass, to shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them, how womanly! And, in truth, unless you saw them naked, you would suppose them to be women. For although not allowed to wear gold, yet out of effeminate desire they enwreath their latches and fringes with leaves of gold; or, getting certain spherical figures of the same metal made, they fasten them to their ankles, and hang them from their necks. This is a device of enervated men, who are dragged to the women's apartments, amphibious and lecherous beasts. For this is a meretricious and impious form of snare. For God wished women to be smooth, and rejoice in their locks alone growing spontaneously, as a horse in his mane; but has adorned man, like the lions, with a beard, and endowed him, as an attribute of manhood, with shaggy breasts — a sign this of strength and rule. So also cocks, which fight in defense of the hens, he has decked with combs, as it were helmets; and so high a value does God set on these locks, that He orders them to make their appearance on men simultaneously with discretion, and delighted with a venerable look, has honoured gravity of countenance with grey hairs. But wisdom, and discriminating judgments that are hoary with wisdom, attain maturity with time, and by the vigour of long experience give strength to old age, producing grey hairs, the admirable flower of venerable wisdom, conciliating confidence. This, then, the mark of the man, the beard, by which he is seen to be a man, is older than Eve, and is the token of the superior nature. In this God deemed it right that he should excel, and dispersed hair over man's whole body. Whatever smoothness and softness was in him He abstracted from his side when He formed the woman Eve, physically receptive, his partner in parentage, his help in household management, while he (for he had parted with all smoothness) remained a man, and shows himself man. And to him has been assigned action, as to her suffering; for what is shaggy is drier and warmer than what is smooth. Wherefore males have both more hair and more heat than females, animals that are entire than the emasculated, perfect than imperfect. It is therefore impious to desecrate the symbol of manhood, hairiness. But the embellishment of smoothing (for I am warned by the Word), if it is to attract men, is the act of an effeminate person, — if to attract women, is the act of an adulterer; and both must be driven as far as possible from our society. But the very hairs of your head are all numbered, says the Lord; Matthew 10:30 those on the chin, too, are numbered, and those on the whole body. There must be therefore no plucking out, contrary to God's appointment, which has counted them in according to His will. Do you not know yourselves, says the apostle, that Christ Jesus is in you? 2 Corinthians 13:5 Whom, had we known as dwelling in us, I know not how we could have dared to dishonour.
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But for one who is a man to comb himself and shave himself with a razor, for the sake of fine effect, to arrange his hair at the looking-glass, to shave his cheeks, pluck hairs out of them, and smooth them, how womanly!
Clement believed the shave-only Preachers were fighting against God!
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Clement believed the shave-only Preachers were fighting against God!
Clement believed a lot thing. But, I'm going to ask you. Do you believe that all believers in Christ must grow beards?
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Clement is more right on this subject than the must shave crowd is.
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