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Old 04-28-2008, 09:40 AM
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LOL! Well, I heard a preacher, once say, "If people think we are a cult they need to stick around and find out how much we disagree!"

Haha!!!! That's great!
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I don't think we should stand by and allow children to be abused simply because we're afraid our own rights will be immediately or eventually infringed.
Religious freedom: Yes. Freedom to commit crimes: No.

The right thing to do, if polygamy is what they want to practice, would be to press legislation to legalize it.
Very true. But niether should we turn a blind eye if a case is singled out - in part - because of their religion.

PS I really don't think polygamy is at issue.
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:41 AM
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Re: Whoa! Polygamist solution is frightening...

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The Salt Lake Tribune reports of some of the FLDS children, after removal from their families and homes are now being hospitalized:

At least three children taken from a polygamous sect’s ranch are in the hospital and attorneys for their mothers say they have received little or no information about their conditions.

Attorneys for Texas RioGrande Legal Aid (TRLA) are working to identify the children, the hospitals, and to arrange for their mothers to visit the children.

“We can’t seem to get anyone on the phone with authority to make that happen and the mothers don’t even know the seriousness of the situation,” said Amanda Chisholm, a TRLA attorney.

The legal aid society, which represents 48 mothers, said one 2-year-old child lost a severe amount of weight while staying at the San Angelo Coliseum.

TRLA said the organization was told two days ago that the child was in shock and lethargic, but has received no new information since then about where the child is or regarding her current health situation.

The mother is not being allowed to be with this child or her other nursing children, Chisholm said.

“We don’t seem to be able to get in touch with anyone who can tell us,” she said. The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services said Friday that one child had been hospitalized because of dehydration. Attempts today to contact CPS authorities were unsuccessful.

Of course, I don’t speak for Utah or Arizona; but, this type of easily foreseeable result could very well be one of the reasons Utah and Arizona do not make the same ill conceived public policy decisions Texas made of literally throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Of course, Texas, in its continuing brilliant execution of this debacle, still keeps the mothers and children apart–even those now lying seriously ill in the hospital. What will it take to illuminate the poor public policy implications to Texas officials? Do one or more of these children have to die?
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:44 AM
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Very true. But niether should we turn a blind eye if a case is singled out - in part - because of their religion.

PS I really don't think polygamy is at issue.
It most certainly is! Especially with underaged girls!!!! Sick and stupid. I'm glad they pulled every living child out of that terrible mess!
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:47 AM
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The Salt Lake Tribune reports of some of the FLDS children, after removal from their families and homes are now being hospitalized:

At least three children taken from a polygamous sect’s ranch are in the hospital and attorneys for their mothers say they have received little or no information about their conditions.

Attorneys for Texas RioGrande Legal Aid (TRLA) are working to identify the children, the hospitals, and to arrange for their mothers to visit the children.

“We can’t seem to get anyone on the phone with authority to make that happen and the mothers don’t even know the seriousness of the situation,” said Amanda Chisholm, a TRLA attorney.

The legal aid society, which represents 48 mothers, said one 2-year-old child lost a severe amount of weight while staying at the San Angelo Coliseum.

TRLA said the organization was told two days ago that the child was in shock and lethargic, but has received no new information since then about where the child is or regarding her current health situation.

The mother is not being allowed to be with this child or her other nursing children, Chisholm said.

“We don’t seem to be able to get in touch with anyone who can tell us,” she said. The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services said Friday that one child had been hospitalized because of dehydration. Attempts today to contact CPS authorities were unsuccessful.

Of course, I don’t speak for Utah or Arizona; but, this type of easily foreseeable result could very well be one of the reasons Utah and Arizona do not make the same ill conceived public policy decisions Texas made of literally throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Of course, Texas, in its continuing brilliant execution of this debacle, still keeps the mothers and children apart–even those now lying seriously ill in the hospital. What will it take to illuminate the poor public policy implications to Texas officials? Do one or more of these children have to die?
That is AWFUL. Poor child could simply be traumatized from being separated from his mother!!!!
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Old 04-28-2008, 09:49 AM
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The Salt Lake Tribune reports of some of the FLDS children, after removal from their families and homes are now being hospitalized:

At least three children taken from a polygamous sect’s ranch are in the hospital and attorneys for their mothers say they have received little or no information about their conditions.

Attorneys for Texas RioGrande Legal Aid (TRLA) are working to identify the children, the hospitals, and to arrange for their mothers to visit the children.

“We can’t seem to get anyone on the phone with authority to make that happen and the mothers don’t even know the seriousness of the situation,” said Amanda Chisholm, a TRLA attorney.

The legal aid society, which represents 48 mothers, said one 2-year-old child lost a severe amount of weight while staying at the San Angelo Coliseum.

TRLA said the organization was told two days ago that the child was in shock and lethargic, but has received no new information since then about where the child is or regarding her current health situation.

The mother is not being allowed to be with this child or her other nursing children, Chisholm said.

“We don’t seem to be able to get in touch with anyone who can tell us,” she said. The Texas Department of Family and Protective Services said Friday that one child had been hospitalized because of dehydration. Attempts today to contact CPS authorities were unsuccessful.

Of course, I don’t speak for Utah or Arizona; but, this type of easily foreseeable result could very well be one of the reasons Utah and Arizona do not make the same ill conceived public policy decisions Texas made of literally throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Of course, Texas, in its continuing brilliant execution of this debacle, still keeps the mothers and children apart–even those now lying seriously ill in the hospital. What will it take to illuminate the poor public policy implications to Texas officials? Do one or more of these children have to die?
I'm sure a Salt Lake paper or any out of state paper would view Texas in that light. It makes for a good news story.

The fault lies with those that started the compound. It's unfortunate that a fallout has occurred, but it is to be expected.
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I don't think we should stand by and allow children to be abused simply because we're afraid our own rights will be immediately or eventually infringed.

Religious freedom: Yes. Freedom to commit crimes: No.

The right thing to do, if polygamy is what they want to practice, would be to press legislation to legalize it.

But it's ok to stand by and say nothing when the government decides to punish innocent people because of the actions of others?
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If they would castrate Child Molesters,I bet alot of these sickos would think twice before they act ,if someone violates one of my daughters I'll shoot the animal.
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But it's ok to stand by and say nothing when the government decides to punish innocent people because of the actions of others?
I don't believe any are innocent that LIVE at the compound. They are endorsing the behaviour.
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It most certainly is! Especially with underaged girls!!!! Sick and stupid. I'm glad they pulled every living child out of that terrible mess!
I don't think any charges against the "spiritual marriages" will stick.

Sex with minors charges will.

Two different issues/charges.
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