A picture? But you all are saying that he "SAID" it.
Where does EB actually say what you're claiming? I cannot find where EB said anything close to what he is being accused of. To say he said such a horrible thing, and then not be able to produce his words would be very wrong. Please, show where he said this, or please, quit saying he said it.
Thanks for the honesty!
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A picture? But you all are saying that he "SAID" it.
Where does EB actually say what you're claiming? I cannot find where EB said anything close to what he is being accused of. To say he said such a horrible thing, and then not be able to produce his words would be very wrong. Please, show where he said this, or please, quit saying he said it.
Thanks for the honesty!
A picture is worth a thousand words, isn't it?
Besides, you won't find a post where I stated that he said anything that related to the pics. That was others. Get your story straight. Thanks.
But that aside, if someone posts a pic in response to a post, they are saying something loud and clear. It's done on this forum all the time.
And admins apparently agreed. Don't like it? Take it up with them.......but you better do it privately!
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Sis. You reported a post and said you think that those comments need to stop.
I believe they have.
The pictures were edited out.
It wasn't the pictures I was referring to, and the comments continued to be justified by the offender all day yesterday.
They stopped today, but that poster hasn't posted today either. Coincidence? Perhaps. Or maybe he had to work and is too busy to take it back up at the moment...LOL!
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It wasn't the pictures I was referring to, and the comments continued to be justified by the offender all day yesterday.
They stopped today, but that poster hasn't posted today either. Coincidence? Perhaps. Or maybe he had to work and is too busy to take it back up at the moment...LOL!
That poster was here today, so what's your point?
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I have sat on the sidelines and read many of the posts on this thread, some while laughing and others with disdain. While I do not claim to have all knowledge concerning the Word of God by any means, this is just one area that I have done much study in and realize that most of what is debated on this topic is more rhetoric and male ego than biblical precedence.
We must not just be able to copy and paste scripture; we must rightly divide the Word. We often claim exclusive rights to base a doctrine or a teaching on just one scripture (or in this case two which are closely related yet different) yet we discredit anyone who builds a doctrine on one scripture that we don't agree with, it is this kind of rhetoric that causes us to look like a cult to the rest of the world. We must make sure that what we are applying has a solid biblical (Apostolic) precedence. The safety net then is to compare these one or two scriptures to the rest of scripture to determine what Paul is really speaking about. Then and only then will we be able to determine what a scholar of the Law (Paul) was trying to say, or if indeed he was trying to establish a new standard for the New Testament Church.
When you study out the topic in the Old Testament we find that men were used by God as Prophets. Strongs 5030 nabiy' naw-bee' from 'naba'' (5012); a prophet or (generally) inspired man:--prophecy, that prophesy, prophet.
Women were used by God as Prophetesses Strongs 5031 feminine of 'nabiy'' (5030); a prophetess or (generally) inspired woman; by association a prophet's wife:--prophetess.
To put it plainly they were simply a female prophet. And nearly every woman who is classified as a female prophet prophesied to men and women. There are only a few examples and many men use the scarcity of their mention to state that it is not Gods perfect plan, and that these woman only were appointed because there was no man who would step up. For the sake of space we can address that later. However, let me state that I do not believe every woman who preaches is called, anointed, sent, etc (neither is every man)
God extended this same precedent into the New Testament church through the Prophecy of Joel. Joel 2:28.......and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy...... Strongs 5012 naba' naw-baw' a primitive root; to prophesy, i.e. speak (or sing) by inspiration (in prediction or simple discourse):--prophesy(-ing), make self a prophet. Notice that God did not limit prophecy to men in fact he specifically made mention of "daughters/women."
First we can argue the point all day long that if Paul wrote something and it made it into the Bible it is God who spoke it. Not entirely so; because even the great Apostle admitted that some things he said were not by inspiration but rather by permission. (Just as I believe today that a pastor has the God given right to set precedence in his local church, but as the Apostle he must identify what is his precedence versus what is scriptural mandate.)
Having said that, let me split hairs with you a moment and remind you that Paul never said that the prohibition of a woman teaching or usurping authority over a man was a God given mandate. In fact he said "I" suffer not.... One could easily argue that this was not a church rule but rather a personal preference of Pauls and just as we teach our preferences to our ministry trainees Paul was addressing Timothy.
Brethren/sisters I think many of us may have overlooked a Biblical Principal while trying to feed the male ego JMHO.
Have any of you ever thought about the fact that a woman who preaches, teaches, prophesies, etc under the authority of her pastor has not execised any authority other than what has been granted to her by the "authority" that we are all to be subject to.......the Pastor. In 1 Ti 2:12 "But I do not allow a woman to teach, on her own authority over a man" On her own authority would be where we get the idea of "forced" authority. In other words she is not submitted to anyone and no one has extended her the "right" to speak. However, when she is submitted to authority and that authority gives her the ok she is not speaking of her own accord but by the same spirit as her leader.
Remember it is like the hair issue (as he ducks to avoid the sledge hammers) and many others that we build a doctrine on from one scripture yet we warn others not to build a doctrine on one isolated scripture. (I know on women and silence some of you think there are at least 2) However, when you compare all of scripture with Paul's statements you must conclude that either he was trying to establish something new for the Church age, or we may not have a proper understanding of what he was addressing in the Corinthian church.
If you study church history you will find that in Corinth as in many Synagogues they had gender separated seating with (depending on which historical account you rely on) the men on the ground floor and the women in an upper balcony. According to many historians what apparently happened was that while the preacher/teacher was speaking the women would interrupt and ask questions of clarification and sometimes nearly open debate concerning the preaching. Thus Paul's instruction in 1Cor. 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. (This is not speculation this is historical fact according to church historians)
You cannot have it both ways either a woman can prophecy=preach or she must be silent never uttering a sound while in the assembly of the righteous. JMHO
There you go ladies; if you believe BISHOPH’s post, then as long as you are under your pastor (not sure where he got that in his Bible), you can prophesy. Did you see that? He only shows that he believes you can be a prophetess. So why all the songs of praise for his post? I thought this was about a woman preaching? Well BISHOPH just narrowed it down a lot. And since he says a woman can only be a prophetess, then the pastor you are under (as well as all other pastors according to his post’s conclusion), must be a man.
BISHOPH, this has nothing to do with male ego. It is all about God's Word. You need to read the posts and scriptures that have been presented.
How is your statement against what Paul wrote any different than what the Jesus Seminar does? They also pick and choose what they feel is divinely inspired. Such a course leads to a dangerous end. I am shocked at those who’ve praised your hermeneutic. I thought Apostolics looked first into the Word, because they thought it was all God given. Looks like this may not always be the case.
Again the issue still stands. There is not one scripture that is found in the Bible that gives a woman the biblical allowance to stand as a leader of the Church and preach…NOT ONE.
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He might have been here but apparently didn't have time or didn't care to post. Since speaking against women preachers has been his candy stick the last couple of days, I'll believe that it's the former rather than the latter.
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There you go ladies; if you believe BISHOPH’s post, then as long as you are under your pastor (not sure where he got that in his Bible), you can prophesy. Did you see that? He only shows that he believes you can be a prophetess. So why all the songs of praise for his post? I thought this was about a woman preaching? Well BISHOPH just narrowed it down a lot. And since he says a woman can only be a prophetess, then the pastor you are under (as well as all other pastors according to his post’s conclusion), must be a man.
BISHOPH, this has nothing to do with male ego. It is all about God's Word. You need to read the posts and scriptures that have been presented.
How is your statement against what Paul wrote any different than what the Jesus Seminar does? They also pick and choose what they feel is divinely inspirited. Such a course leads to a dangerous end. I am shocked at those who’ve praised your hermeneutic. I thought Apostolics looked first into the Word, because they thought it was all God given. Looks like this may not always be the case.
Again the issue still stands. There is not one scripture that is found in the Bible that gives a woman the biblical allowance to stand as a leader of the Church and preach…NOT ONE.
I think you need to read his post again. Nowhere does he say ONLY, as you claim, and he even stated that women can preach!!!
As for 'those who have praised' his post.....how many did you count, 2?? LOL!
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