He isnt guilty until he been convicted ,oh thats right he already has, by you ,btw listen to all the evidence ,like on cnn of all places ,where they enhanced the audio and all he is complainng about is the cold ,no racial slurs, nothing jd.
CNN is so pro black they probably don't allow creamer in coffee in the breakroom.
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The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
I remember a time, guess I was about 19 or 20. I was working out of town and trying to find my motel in a strange town. I pulled into an empty lot that (I found out later) was a Sears warehouse to look at my map. It was about 11:30pm. Upon pulling out of the lot I noticed a small white Chev. Cavalier following me. After driving and turning for several blocks I noticed the car was still following me. Being in a strange town it bothered me at first, then it just ticked me off. I pulled into another empty parking lot and stopped, the car pulled in and stopped about 30 yards behind me and just sat there. Being young and dumb, matched with 6'4" 235lbs frame, I grabbed a piece of pipe (was driving my work vehicle) and walked back towards the car. Before I got to him the parking lot was full of police cars.
Turns out, he was a security guard who thought it suspicious that I was sitting behind a Sears warehouse and followed me until the police could catch up.
Here is the equation for you. According to Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, who is right and who is wrong? Had there been a security company decal on the car then I would have realized what was going on. But since there wasn't, I felt threatened, and thus I "stood my ground". The security guard could have used the same argument and shot me.
The problem in this case will be the same. It is very possible that Treyvone felt threatened and thus decided to "stand his ground", which in turn lead to Zimmy doing the same.
So what do you do?
I still don't follow you. Stand your ground does not mean you confront and attack people.
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The longer this drags on, the more I am convinced that Zim was justified in shooting Trayvon. IMO I have no doubt Trayvon attacked Zim because he didn't like the fact that Zim followed and confronted him out of suspicion of Trayvon's behavior.
I think others know this too so they are waging a publicity war against Zim to make him guilty in as many peopels eyes as they can, all the while ignoring the fact that "little" Trayvon wasn't a saint. They keep plastering some 10 year old pic of an innocent looking little boy instead of any of the more up to date pics that show that Trayvon wasn't some little tiny boy. They do that in order to further demonize Zimmerman by making peopel feel emotionally that he killed a small innocent boy instead of the over 6 foot football player he actually was.
IMO Al and Jesse, etc know this will fail at trial, so they want to win the propaganda war before it even gets there so Zimmerman will be guilty in others eyes where ever he goes. They also, I have no doubt, would lik nothing more than for it to lead to riots a la the Rodney King debacle. They thrive on fake racism and the problems it causes. Further, I have no doubt that our POTUS secretly loves the idea of this going badly and errupting into more race problems. He knows that will "rally" the blacks to blindly cast there votes for good ol Obama out fo some misconstrued notion of "sticking together" while white guys like Zimmerman(who isn't white) kill them and descriminate against them.
This is where you guys lose me. I've said from the beginning to disregard the race of the people and consider the circumstances. The fact that anyone thinks it's okay for armed adults who are not law enforcement or trained or vetted in any way to start following teenagers for no reason at all is confusing. The fact that you think it's okay for him to continue to follow after he has already called the proper authorities and has been told that he didn't need to follow and should just meet the officers is even more confusing. When he does all of this, pursues the kid who he said was trying to get away from him (because apparently they always get away), eventually catches and kills him, anyone saying he was justified just confuses me to no end.
If there was no loss of life, it would be laughable to suggest that a teenager being chased would not be justified in standing his ground to the extent that he moderately injured his pursuer (if it did happen), but the pursuer is undoubtedly justified in standing his ground to the extent that he killed the person he was chasing (which we know did happen).
I hope nothing like this happens to anyone close to anybody here, but I think we would be well served to put ourselves in the shoes of the victim here (and I do believe there is one...and only one). I have a son who will likely be a larger than average 17 year old. The last thing I want is for armed yahoos to think they can arbitrarily chase and apprehend him for no reason at all.
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I still don't follow you. Stand your ground does not mean you confront and attack people.
Stand your ground certainly doesn't mean that you chase and confront people who have done nothing either. Particularly when instructed not to, but to meet the law enforcement professionals.
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(RNN) - The man who shot and killed unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin on Feb. 26 in Sanford, FL, has launched a website.
The website titled "The Real George Zimmerman" is asking for donations to help with George Zimmerman's legal defense fund, as the website says, for the "life altering event which led me to become the subject of intense media coverage."
The background to the website is an American Flag with a link to donate to his defense fund, as well as the headers "The Facts," "My Race," "Album" and "Contact."
"I have created a PayPal account solely linked on this website as I would like to provide an avenue to thank my supporters personally and ensure that any funds provided are used only for living expenses and legal defense, in lieu of my forced inability to maintain employment. I will also personally, maintain accountability of all funds received."
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Yes, zim is guilty of murder. Former Governor Bush, Gingrich, and others all across the country have stated that the "Stand Your Ground" law here in Flroida was never meant to be applied in cases like this.
Zim killed Martin and it if was in self-defense, zim was the one who initiated the altercation, based on what has been released to the public.
By zim's own admission on the 911 call, Martin was moving away from zim.
According to the 911 call, you can infer that zim pursued Martin because zim states that he couldn't see where Martin went and if you listen to the call, you can hear an out of breath and excited zim describe what's going in as he complains about how the *******s always get away.
JD - here is the problem. You have already convicted him, as have thousands of others across the country.
You DO NOT know what happened and neither do I.
Only one person knows and that is Zim.
I do not know if he is guilty or not.
I do believe that he was overzealous and did not use good judgement.
However, what if he was going back to his vehicle and Trayvon approached him from behind, hit him, jumped on him and started beating his head on the pavement.
Then Zim pulled his gun and shot.
Is he still guilty of murder then, in your opinion?
And by the way your quote is manufactured, also.
I still don't follow you. Stand your ground does not mean you confront and attack people.
I agree. But to Treyvone, who was attacking who? If you were Treyvone, walking home from the store in the middle of the night and notice a man following you, watching you, without identifying himself. You walk away and he keeps following you. Would you not feel threatened ?
In reality, he done what I would have done. Lose the guy, circle around and catch him by surprise and confront him.
From this point in time we don't know what was said or who may have "taken the first swing". If he did lose Zimmerman for the purpose of catching him off guard to confront him, then Zimmerman could have reacted first.
We just don't know. Either way, Zimmerman pursued to the point that Treyvone confronted him. At this point, either man can claim the "stand your ground" defense.
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If there was no loss of life, it would be laughable to suggest that a teenager being chased would not be justified in standing his ground to the extent that he moderately injured his pursuer .
Agreed.
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In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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