Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine - Page 57

Evang.Benincasa · #**561** 11-05-2015, 09:03 PM

Sean answer my posts

Evang.Benincasa · #**562** 11-05-2015, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord God be witness against you, the Lord from his HOLY TEMPLE.

So here we have the Lord coming out of His place, which is the Holy Temple. If this is future Sean, then what Temple will be HOLY in the future? God leaves this HOLY temple and attacks the pagan high places.

For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the HIGH PLACES of the earth.

Now verse four is what shag was trying to pry out of you like pulling impacted molars.

And the mountains shall be MOLTEN under him, and the valleys shall be CLEFT, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

Does this happen in the past at the siege of Lachish (Micah 1:13)? Or somewhere off in the far distant future?

Sean answer my posts

Evang.Benincasa · #**563** 11-05-2015, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean you aren't answering my question. You are shopping for answers which you THINK satisfy your belief. Yet can you explain why you bfirst placed chapter 1 of Micah in 722 BC and then place it in the future? While I see no problem with doing this you first must explain some questions your teaching is creating. What temple is God leaving to destroy pagan worship areas known to the prophet as high places? In verse 13 of chapter 1 of Micah it speaks of a prophecy specifically concerning the city of Lachish? Is this the future or is it in the past? If past how is the prophet relaying that to his listeners? Also in Jeremiah 26:18 the prophet refers back to the prophet Micah in chapter 1 to show that Micah was correct when he said God would leave His sanctuary and destroy the places of paganism in Israel. From what Jeremiah says he believed Micah's words were fulfilled and using them as an example for what would happen during his lifetime.

Sean maybe you should answer my question instead of throwing me your Google searches. Searches which you don't understand or are able to explain.

Sean answer

Sean · #**564** 11-05-2015, 09:04 PM

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....

Zechariah 14
14 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.

10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the Lord shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour.

14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance.

15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague.

16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, Holiness Unto The Lord; and the pots in the Lord's house shall be like the bowls before the altar.

21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the Lord of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord of hosts.

Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?....

Evang.Benincasa · #**565** 11-05-2015, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord God be witness against you, the Lord from his HOLY TEMPLE.

So here we have the Lord coming out of His place, which is the Holy Temple. If this is future Sean, then what Temple will be HOLY in the future? God leaves this HOLY temple and attacks the pagan high places.

For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the HIGH PLACES of the earth.

Now verse four is what shag was trying to pry out of you like pulling impacted molars.

And the mountains shall be MOLTEN under him, and the valleys shall be CLEFT, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

Does this happen in the past at the siege of Lachish (Micah 1:13)? Or somewhere off in the far distant future?

Oh nasty little angry man, please answer my posts

Evang.Benincasa · #**566** 11-05-2015, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean you aren't answering my question. You are shopping for answers which you THINK satisfy your belief. Yet can you explain why you first placed chapter 1 of Micah in 722 BC and then place it in the future? While I see no problem with doing this you first must explain some questions your teaching is creating. What temple is God leaving to destroy pagan worship areas known to the prophet as high places? In verse 13 of chapter 1 of Micah it speaks of a prophecy specifically concerning the city of Lachish? Is this the future or is it in the past? If past how is the prophet relaying that to his listeners? Also in Jeremiah 26:18 the prophet refers back to the prophet Micah in chapter 1 to show that Micah was correct when he said God would leave His sanctuary and destroy the places of paganism in Israel. From what Jeremiah says he believed Micah's words were fulfilled and using them as an example for what would happen during his lifetime.

Sean maybe you should answer my question instead of throwing me your Google searches. Searches which you don't understand or are able to explain.

Sean, I am going to have Steve Winter come and eat you, if you don't answer my posts.

Evang.Benincasa · #**567** 11-05-2015, 09:08 PM

You ever get the feeling that this is going nowhere?

Sean · #**568** 11-05-2015, 09:13 PM

This is yet another passage that preterists will not explain in public.

They think this event happened thousands of years ago, and only talk about its' "other" meanings in sealed rooms.

Only the gullible and naive buy their "other' meanings for this passage....

Joel 2
2 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lord is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

12 Therefore also now, saith the Lord, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning:

13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the Lord your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil.

14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the Lord your God?

15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly:

16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

17 Let the priests, the ministers of the Lord, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O Lord, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?

18 Then will the Lord be jealous for his land, and pity his people.

19 Yea, the Lord will answer and say unto his people, Behold, I will send you corn, and wine, and oil, and ye shall be satisfied therewith: and I will no more make you a reproach among the heathen:

20 But I will remove far off from you the northern army, and will drive him into a land barren and desolate, with his face toward the east sea, and his hinder part toward the utmost sea, and his stink shall come up, and his ill savour shall come up, because he hath done great things.

21 Fear not, O land; be glad and rejoice: for the Lord will do great things.

22 Be not afraid, ye beasts of the field: for the pastures of the wilderness do spring, for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength.

23 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.

24 And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.

25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of the Lord your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my people shall never be ashamed.

27 And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the Lord your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed.

Attention all preterists.

You say that all O.T. prophecies are fulfilled.

When did this happen?....

Evang.Benincasa · #**569** 11-05-2015, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Sean you aren't answering my question. You are shopping for answers which you THINK satisfy your belief. Yet can you explain why you bfirst placed chapter 1 of Micah in 722 BC and then place it in the future? While I see no problem with doing this you first must explain some questions your teaching is creating. What temple is God leaving to destroy pagan worship areas known to the prophet as high places? In verse 13 of chapter 1 of Micah it speaks of a prophecy specifically concerning the city of Lachish? Is this the future or is it in the past? If past how is the prophet relaying that to his listeners? Also in Jeremiah 26:18 the prophet refers back to the prophet Micah in chapter 1 to show that Micah was correct when he said God would leave His sanctuary and destroy the places of paganism in Israel. From what Jeremiah says he believed Micah's words were fulfilled and using them as an example for what would happen during his lifetime.

Sean maybe you should answer my question instead of throwing me your Google searches. Searches which you don't understand or are able to explain.

Evang.Benincasa · #**570** 11-05-2015, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that therein is: and let the Lord God be witness against you, the Lord from his HOLY TEMPLE.

So here we have the Lord coming out of His place, which is the Holy Temple. If this is future Sean, then what Temple will be HOLY in the future? God leaves this HOLY temple and attacks the pagan high places.

For, behold, the Lord cometh forth out of his place, and will come down, and tread upon the HIGH PLACES of the earth.

Now verse four is what shag was trying to pry out of you like pulling impacted molars.

And the mountains shall be MOLTEN under him, and the valleys shall be CLEFT, as wax before the fire, and as the waters that are poured down a steep place.

Does this happen in the past at the siege of Lachish (Micah 1:13)? Or somewhere off in the far distant future?