End Time Army of Women Preachers Psalms 68:11

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by rdp

8 Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain. 9 They must hold the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. 10 And let them also be tested first; then let them serve as deacons if they prove themselves blameless. 11 Their wives likewise must be dignified, not slanderers, but sober-minded, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well. 13 For those who serve well as deacons gain a good standing for themselves and also great confidence in the faith that is in Christ Jesus.

14 I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these things to you so that, 15 if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church.




The Greek noun translated "deacon(s)" (Διακόνους) above appears in the masculine gender - not feminine (remember your gender argument in Psalm 68.11??).


Keep trying Sis. - But (as I've been informed by others) your arguments are making you look silly at this point.

Strange I have been told the same about your writings...

[Sister Alvear]

lol...


Even if in the NT no women were identified by name as elders, overseers, or pastors, and many men were, this would not logically exclude women from those leadership positions any more than the actual lack of Gentile men identified by name as elders, overseers, or pastors in the NT excludes Gentile men from those leadership positions. In fact, however, apart from Christ (Heb 13:20; 1 Pet 2:25; 5:4), no men or women overseers (ἐπίσκοπος) of a church or pastors (ποιμήν) of a church are named in the NT. John refers to himself in 2 John 1 and 3 John 1 as “the elder,” but nothing in either context associates this title with a local church or with administrative duties. The article indicates that this refers to something unique, which would not apply to local church administration. It probably identifies something like the last surviving elderly apostle and eyewitness of Christ. The only other NT association of ‘elder’ with any named person is Peter’s self-identification as a “fellow-elder (συνπρεβύτερος), a witness of Christ’s sufferings.”The clearest NT identification of an individual with titles associated with senior local church leadership is not a man at all, but a woman: “Phoebe deacon (διάκονος, not feminine in form, which could imply ‘servant’ or ‘deaconess,’ but masculine in form, hence ‘deacon’) of the church in Cenchrea.

[Sister Alvear]

1 Timothy 3:11
"Even so {must their}(not in the original) wives (gunaikas 1135 Women) be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things."
Earlier in this entire passage Paul has not specified maleness but has used words that can address both sexes. Now he addresses women specifically giving requirements for women to be church leaders. As we are talking about church leadership rather than marriage, the New American Standard translation below for this scripture is more accurate. The confusion was created by the word gunaikas, which does not differentiate between women or wives. We notice that Paul’s requirements for women leaders echo male requirements for ministry: Grave/grave, not slanderers/not double tongued, sober/not given to much wine, faithful in all things/not greedy of filthy lucre.
New Amer Standard Update, the NAS, RSV, ASV all translate "women" not "wives":


[Sister Alvear]

and I sure don't have time for this today...So far have graded 52 tests for our Bible School...big graduation coming up tonight....The attendance is about half and half...men and women...So I am ok teaching our women but wrong to teach our men...So our women will all know so much and our poor men will remain unlearned...
Do your realize I work with a people some can barely write their name...and I don't have a lot of gifts but am a teacher so I start off helping people learn to write their name...Just for the tests the other night (48) were present for the classroom test , I had to have 6 or so going around helping them read and write. Eighteen tiny questions...I could have answered in 5 minutes took them 2 hours to do. Some were sweating and trembling trying to write...So dificult ...so hard for them...Yet they were there trying to learn...and you rdp put me in hell so to speak for helping God's little ones...Yes, eternity will tell a lot of things...We might all be surprized...
Precious little students that worked all day some no doubt without even lunch came right to Bible School to lean without supper...
No, I am not wrong...like my sisters of old I will carry the gospel message anywhere...to the jungles, the cities, the leper colonies, to both the peaceful and wild indians...(I once stood before a group of completly naked indians and told them the story of Jesus)
You seem to forgot your English Bible is not exactly what the original copies read...As you learn different languages you might be surprized how Bibles of different languages read...many depend on the opinion who translates! . I Tim.3:11 is referring to women ministers. "Women in like manner" were to have the same qualifications as men, and were to be "faithful in all things," just as the "faithful ones" of 2 Timothy 2:2. The original copies read WOMEN of like manner....


I fear for you...I am nothing...just an old tired missionary but I am God's anointed and for you to say God did not call you are calling God a lier...or saying I do not know the voice of God....

[Sister Alvear]

The book of Acts church both women and men were put in jails and both women and men that did not get put in jails went everywhere preaching...ACTS 8....

NO where the Bible says a woman cannot preach...your silence scripture will not work...you know it was a question that Paul answered....He spent so much time telling me and all women how to dress and how to use the gift of prophecy to say be silent in church for he himself said prophecy is to be given in the church... Have you forgotten Philip’s Prophesying Daughters? Have you so soon forgotten what prophecy is? Have you forgotten WHERE it is to be given? Have you forgotten what prophecy is? One thing is to EDIFY the church....Let me remind you..the word edify according to the dictionary means :ed·i·fy (ĕd′ə-fī′)
tr.v. ed·i·fied, ed·i·fy·ing, ed·i·fies
To instruct especially so as to encourage intellectual, moral, or spiritual improvement.

So you have admited you believe a woman can prophecy...so that means she can instruct....The gift of prophecy edifies, exhorts, and comforts (I Corinthians 14:3);

Even in the old testament we have Miriam, Aaron and Moses. They were three siblings. All three children were Prophets. God himself spoke to all Israel telling them He had put before them these three to lead them..For I brought thee up out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed thee the house of bondage, and I sent before you Moses, Aaron and Miriam. Micah 6:4 This shows the authoritative, highly influential leadership role she exercised.Miriam was a prophet. The Hebrew word used here for “prophetess” is ‘nebiah.’ Nebiah is the feminine of ‘nabi’ which means: “a spokesman, speaker, prophet. Nebiah is used six (6) times in the Old Testament as prophetess.The Concise Greek-English Dictionary of the New Testament says the word prophesy means:

proclaim God’s message, preach; prophesy, predict… An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon abridged from Liddell and Scott’s Lexicon says prophesy means: in N.T. to expound scripture, to speak and preach under the influence of the Holy Spirit. The Enhanced Strong’s Lexicon writes this about the word prophesy: to utter forth, declare, a thing which can only be known by divine revelation. To break forth under sudden impulse in lofty discourse or praise of the divine counsels. Like prompting, to teach, refute, reprove, admonish, comfort others.

A lot of people will say but she made a mistake...and failed at one point...that was NOT because she was a woman but because she was human...God disciplined her just as he did Moses & David, when they failed....

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rdp

LOL - I would expect no less from the usual AFF crew .



11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner...I am writing you these instructions so that, 15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church


Explain it away & dance on it all y'all want - it'll still be there in eternity !

Actually, I've never even read the Bible. I just do what I want and pretend I read it.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by rdp

And your "opinion" defies Scripture .


Ummm, it was not "they" who "say all this about women being deceived" - It was the Apostle Paul .


14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner


Lemme' guess, this doesn't mean what it specifically says either - right? Time to whip out the eraser again !

Um, methinks this is talking about the husband/wife relationship.

[Sister Alvear]

Romans 5:12-21
King James Version (KJV)
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

Strange it would say sin entered the world because of ONE MAN....surely he know it was Eve that Tasted the apple!

[Sister Alvear]

Colossians 3:16

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. Of course you Bible probably says different...mine says one another....

[Sister Alvear]

Acts 18:25-26

This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately.