Apostolic But Not Believing Jesus is The Father?

[Michael The Disciple]

Its usually not translation issues that make a big difference. I cant hardly think of any that makes a significant difference.

Its the TEXTUAL variations you have to watch out for.

[Sean]

I guess they(the translations) are all corrupt. We should not read our Bibles with reverence, but with caution. If they are corrupt, they are not Gods' word.

You never know where the hidden mistakes are....beware.


If you lump them all together you can get some interesting definitions for yourself though



This is a timeline of how we got these false translations .....https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...78677474,d.aWw

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

All versions outside the Majority Text versions weaken the case for Oneness..

I haven't noticed that at all.

[votivesoul]

There are no corrupted versions, per se. I don't think any translator from any era came to the Scriptures with a nefarious agenda to destroy people's faith in the Word of God through their translation.

However, with that in mind, walking blindly into ANY translation without realizing the potential for human error when the translation was made is a mistake.

Just like with anything, all things must be weighed according to the evidence.

PROVE ALL THINGS, as Paul wrote, and HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD, up to and including any translation of the Holy Scriptures.

And since the Holy Spirit is the teacher/guide into all truth, rely completely upon the leading and internal witness of the AUTHOR of the Scriptures to help you know truth from translator mistake.

Is this not how we discern the truth of all things, i.e. books about the Bible, sermons we hear, blogs we read, or even on this message board?

[Praxeas]

Sean...did you see the proof that I posted about Passover and the Feast?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Sean...did you see the proof that I posted about Passover and the Feast?

Yes bro. I did, I posted 2 of them as a "counter" to them and they were completely ignored by everyone.

Prax, I will let you guys all believe that there is no true untainted bibles(translations) on earth to read,(its a vain argument)

I could not follow a Bible that is full of holes. You guys have ruthlessly attacked the KJV instead of trying to find answers to it's so called "discrepancies".

I have a very close pastor friend that taught your belief of this subject at CLC college. He taught the word is NOT infallable, because MAN translated it.

I choose to listen to the Baptists and the 7th day adventists as they defend the KJV, while Apostolics go down that path of NO absolute true translations.

Our young people these days are saying that there is no TRUE Word of God and is was written by fallen, biased men.

Well, we in the ministry have done our job well in telling them there is NO ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

If I thought from day 1, that my Bible was incorrect, I would have never believed it.

Well, there is hope though...some folks believe the Enquirer. God can still save their types because they dont care about the authors' credibility or material.

[votivesoul]

Sean,

My brother,

I think you are thinking that some of us who have made comments contrary to yours think that the Bible is nothing but glorified toilet paper because we chose to admit the possibility of errors in translation transmission.

I hope you don't think that way, but what you're saying comes off as so black and white it's hard to not understand you any other way.

And while I can't, so won't speak for anyone else, let me assure that if you think I have denigrated the Word of God into a meaningless pile of paper and ink, then please understand: NOT SO!

I have read from and studied from the KJV for years. I teach from it, preach from it, win souls with it, and when the Lord speaks to me from the Scriptures, it is through the KJV, as that is the Bible I've spent my entire Christian life studying.

But it HAS flaws. 1 John 5:7 and the Comma Johanneum. Hebrews 13:17, which reads, "Obey them that have the rule over you" when it should be translated something closer to: "Be persuaded by those who lead you..." (See http://www.onenesspentecostal.com/peitho.htm), but was translated as obey and rule over as a way to maintain the monarchial bishopric in the eyes of the people so that they would fear the head of the state and church, King James himself.

It's not wrong to admit these limitations without having a crisis of faith. God has been using the KJV to save thousands upon thousands, maybe even millions of people for a long time.

It's not a bad translation. It's is an exceptional translation, a work of beauty, and is probably the most important English language document in the history of the language, with the Magna Carta a close second.

So please understand that we (or at least me) are not disparaging the KJV as not being the Word of God. Rather, it IS the Word of God, as translated by fallen men.

Just as you have flaws and warts and all and yet God still uses you, though you be but an earthen vessel with a filter that keeps getting in the way (like all of us), it doesn't mean that God hasn't anointed you, used you, spoken through you, and caused you to be one of His own. But let's all admit it: we make mistakes, have made errors, are still striving for perfection, and await the redemption of our bodies.

So if we can admit that about ourselves, let's also admit that the human translators of the King James Version are no different.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

Yes bro. I did, I posted 2 of them as a "counter" to them and they were completely ignored by everyone.

Please summarize the argument against the word Passover including the Feast of unleavened bread.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sean

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I have a very close pastor friend that taught your belief of this subject at CLC college. He taught the word is NOT infallable, because MAN translated it.

You are confusing translation with the Word of God. You are equating one translation, the KJV, with the word of God instead of seeing the word of God as the Greek and Hebrew texts

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

You are confusing translation with the Word of God. You are equating one translation, the KJV, with the word of God instead of seeing the word of God as the Greek and Hebrew texts

Exactly. The Majority Text and Massoretic text are the deal. We said that but Sean chose not to see we did.