A Relevant Holiness Message - Page 56

Hoovie · #**551** 03-02-2011, 10:16 PM

Politics now? I will admit it it's very difficult for me to love some people. In a general sense I can say I "love everyone" and pray that all humanity might be saved.

Obama may be God's judgement on America... that is something to think about too.

notofworks · #**552** 03-02-2011, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I can respect you without agreeing with what you believe. And I have respected you and liked you even when you did blow up over silly, nit picky things. That's just how you are. Maybe if you "love" everyone so much, you could just love me for how I am too.

Oh, I do, very much so. But I'm still disappointed. And I had respected your refusal to play the dirty game that others play, especially in the political arena and in your straight-forward approach to things. But different colors are showing here. Disappointing.

Pressing-On · #**553** 03-02-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Oh, I do, very much so. But I'm still disappointed. And I had respected your refusal to play the dirty game that others play, especially in the political arena and in your straight-forward approach to things. But different colors are showing here. Disappointing.

Well, don't lose sleep over it. I know I won't.

Did you want me to lie or be honest with you? I am straight-forward and one thing I don't do is lie. If I don't feel compassion for someone, I don't feel I love them enough and I know I need to pray so that God can bring me back to a tenderness. If that is a crime, then sue me.

Pressing-On · #**554** 03-02-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Politics now? I will admit it it's very difficult for me to love some people. In a general sense I can say I "love everyone" and pray that all humanity might be saved.

Obama may be God's judgement on America... that is something to think about too.

Thank you for your honesty, Stephen. And you may be right about Obama.

mizpeh · #**555** 03-02-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Miz: It seemed like you were drawing conclusions from my comments that I didn't intend. I don't believe that RM was being a hypocrite, because I think you have to intentionally live a double standard in order for something to be "hypocrisy." I don't think he was purposely putting forth a double standard. I think it just happened because he preached a message about holiness, and talked about a practice he didn't like, and irony of ironies, the same behavior showed up on his platform a week later. That alone doesn't make him a hypocrite, because he couldn't predict what GP was going to say or do (understatement alert).

More than likely, all the services from POK are posted online without necessarily RM's direction for every single one. However, you would think that he might have told his web guy to pull that one since it was inconsistent with what was preached the week before. Maybe he decided not to fight that battle--or maybe he didn't really think about the inconsistency until it was brought to his attention. Who knows? Unless RM decides to answer, we really can't know what his thoughts were. The only conclusions I can draw are that the posting of GP's sermon *looks like* tacit pastoral approval, and that RM is opposed to at least some of the content of GP's sermon according to his previous week's message.

I'm not interested in attaching a character flaw or sin to that.

Hopefully this is something we all can learn from.

notofworks · #**556** 03-02-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Well, don't lose sleep over it. I know I won't.

Did you want me to lie or be honest with you? I am straight-forward and one thing I don't do is lie. If I don't feel compassion for someone, I don't feel I love them enough and I know I need to pray so that God can bring me back to a tenderness. If that is a crime, then sue me.

That isn't the problem. You insinuated that if President Obama didn't have family, you wouldn't mind him being killed. Second, you're unable to answer whether or not you love him.

Oh, I know you're gonna say now that you didn't insinuate that, but anyone with an IQ of 12 or more can clearly figure out what you said.

But that's it, I'm done talking about this. And the difference between you and I? You've said you're done with a particular subject in this thread at least 3 or 4 times, yet here you are, adding to your 90,000 posts. But when I say I'm done, I'm done. So take it away, say whatever you like. No more of this silliness.

Pressing-On · #**557** 03-02-2011, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Miz: It seemed like you were drawing conclusions from my comments that I didn't intend. I don't believe that RM was being a hypocrite, because I think you have to intentionally live a double standard in order for something to be "hypocrisy." I don't think he was purposely putting forth a double standard. I think it just happened because he preached a message about holiness, and talked about a practice he didn't like, and irony of ironies, the same behavior showed up on his platform a week later. That alone doesn't make him a hypocrite, because he couldn't predict what GP was going to say or do (understatement alert).

More than likely, all the services from POK are posted online without necessarily RM's direction for every single one. However, you would think that he might have told his web guy to pull that one since it was inconsistent with what was preached the week before. Maybe he decided not to fight that battle--or maybe he didn't really think about the inconsistency until it was brought to his attention. Who knows? Unless RM decides to answer, we really can't know what his thoughts were. The only conclusions I can draw are that the posting of GP's sermon *looks like* tacit pastoral approval, and that RM is opposed to at least some of the content of GP's sermon according to his previous week's message.

I'm not interested in attaching a character flaw or sin to that.

This isn't directed at you, but I'm playing off your post because of the bold.

Why can the message for a 10 minute deal that RM preached against the week before? I wouldn't have done it. My people would know what I believe and they would be wise enough to know that some people might have a different view than me when they come and take my pulpit. GP wasn't preaching something contrary to the Word of God. What is the flipping uproar about? He was just preaching something that didn't jive with RM's point of view or conviction. Big, deal. LOL!

It's like the guys robbed Wells Fargo or something. What is up with that?

I wish they would have. Then we would really have something to talk about. This is getting more ridiculous the more I think about it.

Maybe he should have tackled him, put him in a headlock, rubbed his fist on top of his head and repeated over and over - "I don't do that kind of music here! I don't do that kind of music here. Do you hear me?"

Pressing-On · #**558** 03-02-2011, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

That isn't the problem. You insinuated that if President Obama didn't have family, you would mind him being killed. Second, you're unable to answer whether or not you love him.

Don't you dare get in my face with this stupid supposition of yours, NOW. Don't you dare. You are pushing a lie and you better stop right here with it. This is the over the top crude you pull from time to time and you are ticking me off royally!

I told you that I do not hate him enough to believe how some do who want him assassinated and I told you that sometimes I don't like him and I told you that when I pray my heart softens toward him and I know that I do really love him. So, you better stop it. There are people who do hate him. I am not one of those people.

triumphant1 · #**559** 03-02-2011, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I'm sorry, but I find that odd that you are friends with him on Facebook - immediate contact, but you choose to talk about him here. That is just very strange to me. I wouldn't do that to one of my friends at Facebook. No wonder I limit my contacts there.

Think it not odd. I have hundreds of friends on Facebook. It doesn't mean I interact with them on a regular basis--some not at all. I keep a bunch of them hidden so I don't have to see their posts in my news feed.

RM and I have known each other since we were teens and even did some youth camps together as evangelists in the early 90's. We both had a bunch of mutual friends and somewhere along the line we became FB friends. As far as I can remember, we have NEVER conversed on FB, nor have we ever posted on each others profiles.

MissBrattified · #**560** 03-02-2011, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This isn't directed at you, but I'm playing off your post because of the bold.

Why can the message for a 10 minute deal that RM preached against the week before? I wouldn't have done it. My people would know what I believe and they would be wise enough to know that some people might have a different view than me when they come and take my pulpit. GP wasn't preaching something contrary to the Word of God. What is the flipping uproar about? He was just preaching something that didn't jive with RM's point of view or conviction. Big, deal. LOL!

It's like the guys robbed Wells Fargo or something. What is up with that?

I wish they would have. Then we would really have something to talk about. This is getting more ridiculous the more I think about it.

Maybe he should have tackled him, put him in a headlock, rubbed his fist on top of his head and repeated over and over - "I don't do that kind of music here! I don't do that kind of music here. Do you hear me?"

PO - I just know what my pastor might say--and while as a congregation we might tolerate some craziness, we wouldn't put it out for "public consumption" if it was out of line with our church's teachings, dynamic, ideals, etc. I have no problem whatsoever imagining my pastor saying, "Hey, don't put that message up." OR "Hey, edit out that one bit about James Brown before you post it online."

I agree that it's ridiculous to cast aspersions on RM's character because he preached one thing and then had a preacher in his pulpit who went against his personal preferences.

I know we've had several old-school types preach for us, and frankly, you just never know what they're going to say. We're all adults - we have the maturity to let people be imperfect. That doesn't mean we completely approve of everything that comes out of the mouth of the visiting preacher. (But again--it would NEVER be posted on our church website.)