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Old 04-02-2010, 05:40 AM
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Re: Noah and the Ark

God doesn't have to be confined to the limits of time. It's foolish to think that he does when He created time itself.

Now I'm not a match for those of you on this thread, but one thing I know is that God could, would, and did make something new that was aged.

Just look at when Jesus turned the water into wine. It was water and instantly He had changed it into a perfectly aged wine. What would we find in that wine to prove it's age. Who cares? He did it.
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Old 04-02-2010, 10:07 AM
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God doesn't have to be confined to the limits of time. It's foolish to think that he does when He created time itself.

Now I'm not a match for those of you on this thread, but one thing I know is that God could, would, and did make something new that was aged.

Just look at when Jesus turned the water into wine. It was water and instantly He had changed it into a perfectly aged wine. What would we find in that wine to prove it's age. Who cares? He did it.
If, as you pruport, Jesus made this wine "aged", He would have a a reason to do so. What would His reason be in making a "New" earth appear "Aged?"
He does everything for a specific reason, not just to satisfy our ideas, beliefs or notions.
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Old 04-02-2010, 10:44 AM
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God doesn't have to be confined to the limits of time. It's foolish to think that he does when He created time itself.

Now I'm not a match for those of you on this thread, but one thing I know is that God could, would, and did make something new that was aged.

Just look at when Jesus turned the water into wine. It was water and instantly He had changed it into a perfectly aged wine. What would we find in that wine to prove it's age. Who cares? He did it.
Good point.

The big difference though, regarding the initial subject of this thread (Noah and the Ark), is that the Bible gives measurement, capacity, material used, time on board, of a ship that was designed to carry a Zoo beyond anyone's wildest dreams. Its one thing to believe in a miracle and another to believe that Blue is Black.

God gave us measurement to define Truth. This is important, otherwise people can say whatever they want to, telling us, "It's a MIRACLE". False doctrine grows upon the foundation of the unproven and unmeasured. We see this in past civilizations and Religion, where they were told to "Just Believe", and the belief or idea was found to be a lie.

Even today, many Religions use ideas that cannot be proven to establish a following. For instance, Mormons, use an array of unproven ideas to gain power over their constituents. We stand back and call them an Occult, while we ourselves may be guilty of the very same thing. We can become arrogant and blind if we think otherwise. Anytime a “People” think they have found the Truth about God without accountable measurement, the realm of Faith or the Impossible within that Religion must be scrutinized or ideas will grow into fables.

Putting the concept into a more viable light might be to say, "We drove around in my car for a year, with 45 people in it, never stopped at a bathroom or for food, and then landed on high ground ready to re-populate the World". Of course we all think this is ridiculous. In fact, it can't be done.

Remember, years ago people couldn't validate the Ark experience like they can today. People lived in very isolated communities. What they "Saw" would be a very limited populace of animals, so the belief in all of them being on one ship might work. Today, we see the entire Earth and the equation or measurement of such an event is impossible. One ship could never house such an array of animals, supplying all of their needs by just 8 people.

We can visit places (Zoo's, Wildlife Parks) that take care of several hundred species, and the effort, work, environment, food, and staff to care for these animals is astronomical. We are told the Ark housed 2+ million species, and if this doesn’t add up to Truth, how far will we go with unproven theory? How deep will we allow Religion to carry us into places that are false?
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But you have to love the irony: God sees all the wickedness in the world, to the point that He decides to destroy it all (even the animals! ), but notices this one perfect individual. Noah. Saves him and his family (and some of the animals! ). Then what's the first thing this "perfect" man does when the flood is done? Gets drunk and lounges naked in his tent. Then he curses the son who has the bad luck of finding him in that state. And here we go again! I can imagine God smacking His forehead about then.

Well, at least He made a covenant with mankind. No more destroying the world! (By flood! )
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But you have to love the irony: God sees all the wickedness in the world, to the point that He decides to destroy it all (even the animals! ), but notices this one perfect individual. Noah. Saves him and his family (and some of the animals! ). Then what's the first thing this "perfect" man does when the flood is done? Gets drunk and lounges naked in his tent. Then he curses the son who has the bad luck of finding him in that state. And here we go again! I can imagine God smacking His forehead about then.

Well, at least He made a covenant with mankind. No more destroying the world! (By flood! )
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Huh? What, the wine Noah made?
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God doesn't have to be confined to the limits of time. It's foolish to think that he does when He created time itself.

Now I'm not a match for those of you on this thread, but one thing I know is that God could, would, and did make something new that was aged.

Just look at when Jesus turned the water into wine. It was water and instantly He had changed it into a perfectly aged wine. What would we find in that wine to prove it's age. Who cares? He did it.
Did he then bottle it and sell as it 30 year old Chateau Guadet complete with a 30 year old label on the bottle showing the date?

I've noticed also that you've had to add, "It was water and instantly He had changed it into a perfectly aged wine." Why not just take the Word of God for what it says and not start adding jots and tittles to one passage to support a misapprehension of another?

Fact of the matter is, wine in those times was seldom "aged." It was a commodity intended for regular and mass consumption, not a delicacy that was hoarded by connoisseurs. Notice, when the "governor of the feast" was presented with wine in the pots that were used by the guests for washing their hands and feet, he was amazed at the quality, not the fact that such great tasting wine would be stored in a foot bath, lavers and such.

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