Mooney Guns for "Secret" Meeting in Detroit?

[*AQuietPlace*]

I don't think it's dying. I think it is changing.

[Phil Stearns]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I don't think it's dying. I think it is changing.

Exactly right.

[GrowingPains]

Some things die before they change. But I like the perspective. One part is dying, another is coming to life even more vibrantly. The caterpillar is yesterday, the butterfly is today.

[Phil Stearns]

Originally Posted by GrowingPains

Some things die before they change. But I like the perspective. One part is dying, another is coming to life even more vibrantly. The caterpillar is yesterday, the butterfly is today.

Kind of reminds me of the story in which several blind men described an elephant by touching it. It all depends on your perspective.

[Sandra]

Originally Posted by Phil Stearns

That may be your opinion, but it is certainly not a fact. I do not agree. That same statement was made to me back in the late 70's when Mark Hanby and Kenneth Phillips left the UPC. I believe the UPCI is in transition. There are many great Christian leaders in the UPCI, including Bro. Rex Johnson, at whose church you recently sang, not to mention TF Tenney, and countless others. The UPCI is what it is, an earthly organization used of God to promote the Kingdom of God, through the preaching of the Gospel, and it is not dying.

At because of the times, the general sup. Kenneth haney said" Fathers encourage your sons to preach the gospel, we are getting no applications from men under the age of 45"
I stand by my statement ITS DYING !

[GrowingPains]

Originally Posted by Phil Stearns

Kind of reminds me of the story in which several blind men described an elephant by touching it. It all depends on your perspective.

It certainly does.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Phil Stearns

Kind of reminds me of the story in which several blind men described an elephant by touching it. It all depends on your perspective.

Ever wonder what the elephant thought of the blind men?

[DAII]

Do either of the Paul's have an opinion on the upcoming Plano meeting?

Originally Posted by Paul Harvey

Assistant General Superintendent, Paul D Mooney (IN), last night, at the Mississippi Camp meeting(most notably known for Greg Godwin and Borat) has seemingly railed- as perceived by some of his ministerial peers who have heard this message - against the recent invitation-only ministerial fellowship meeting that took place several weeks ago in Pontiac (Detroit) Michigan asking "who holds secret meetings?"

Mooney who recently headed a committee appointed by General Superintendent Kenneth Haney called the Committee For Inquiry of the Emerging took a page from the committee's recommendation to "affirm the Apostolic doctrine and Biblical holiness positions in campmeeting and conferences throughout the UPCI" in his sermon entitled "Intentional Confrontation".

This message is hailed by some already for its aggressive defense and/or offense for "the message".

What is unclear from the tone of this message is if Mooney is in step with another committee recommendation which states: "Establish a caring atmosphere within the UPCI in which individual Pastors are encouraged to maintain Apostolic doctrine."

Mooney alludes to the actions of some brethren as "cunning","conniving", "crafting" and that God is testing the Church in these last days with "dreamers" and "false prophets".

This on the heels of his recent Twitter post the day before the Detroit meeting in which he stated: "Good things, honest things, meaningful things, positive things, pure things, ethical things, are never done in secret ..."

Last night's preaching can be accessed here. Listen attentively towards the end of his message:
http://web.me.com/scottaphillips/Sit...rontation.html

Other notable quotes towards the end of this message include:

Pentecost is at a place where you will have to have "intentional confrontation" with their children.

He refers to "people" (in this case, sons of ministers) who take churches and "destroy them" - "thieves".

"Either you stand for this or confess you are liar all your life."

To learn more about Mooney's involvement in heading the "Emerging" Committee, click here:
http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/showthread.php?t=24736

[DAII]

The more I read some of Mooneys quotes from that campmeeting message I am thinking he plagiarized it from Westberg's notes and preamble to his infamous resolution.

[Praxeas]

Why do Apostolics have an affinity for taking words and misusing them? Emerging? Charismatic? Even a lot of OPs have been taught the word "person" as used by a Trinitarian, means "human being".