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05-18-2017, 12:17 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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The "hosen" was the inner tunic, the kuttoneth.
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Hosen is German, I gave you the Hebrew, Latin, and Greek definitions of the word originally used in the verse. Hosen means "pants" in German. From the Old English hosa "covering for the leg." In German it specifically means trousers, and in Dutch it means the hose which was worn by "MEN" during the Renaissance. The hose of in medieval times covered the "man" from the waist to the tip of his foot. In late 13th century A.D. they were "covering of woven cloth or leather which covered the leg, with or without feet. Yet, the Axial Age writings of the Chaldean/Hebrew Daniel describe a garment which was actually part of the long coat. The פטיש was a coat which had leggings incorporated. How ever they put them on makes no never mind to me. The facts remain that these garments were pants in all three ancient languages.
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05-18-2017, 12:26 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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Daniel 3:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 Then these men were bound in their coats, their hosen, and their hats, and their other garments, and were cast into the midst of the burning fiery furnace. The "hosen" in this verse is the paṭṭîysh, which was the male version of the kuttoneth. It is traditionally the under tunic worn by both men and women in ancient times, namely Israel. It wasn't bifurcated. In fact, it translates, "as if hammered out wide". It is also translated, using the English words "garment, coat, tunic". It looked like this : (see attached image)
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Bro, that's an artists rendition of what they traditionally (whatever traditions that maybe) think it looked like. Not what the definition of the word actually means. The Hebrew also refers to hammer, due to its masculinity. Aquila? Hammered out wide? The Greek LXX doesn't use a word which describes hammered out wide? That Greek Old Testament which was used by all the Judean Diaspora didn't use a word which meant hammered out wide? Yet, that Greek Old Testament was used by Jesus and His apostles. Three different languages describing the same verse, and they don't agree with your interpretation of your lindquist's dictionary.
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05-18-2017, 12:28 PM
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Sister Alvear why didn't you also included Deuteronomy 22:5?
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05-18-2017, 12:34 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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I only gave you English words?
You want to try that again?
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You want to give a single scripture stating that pants were specifically part of a man's attire and not a woman's?
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05-18-2017, 12:37 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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Hosen is German, I gave you the Hebrew, Latin, and Greek definitions of the word originally used in the verse. Hosen means "pants" in German. From the Old English hosa "covering for the leg." In German it specifically means trousers, and in Dutch it means the hose which was worn by "MEN" during the Renaissance. The hose of in medieval times covered the "man" from the waist to the tip of his foot. In late 13th century A.D. they were "covering of woven cloth or leather which covered the leg, with or without feet. Yet, the Axial Age writings of the Chaldean/Hebrew Daniel describe a garment which was actually part of the long coat. The פטיש was a coat which had leggings incorporated. How ever they put them on makes no never mind to me. The facts remain that these garments were pants in all three ancient languages.
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So, the King James Translators mistranslate a word that should have been translated "tunic", and you're going to give me all the European languages their incorrect word is connected to? LOL Pretty weak evidence to establish an "abomination".
Daniel 3:21 English Standard Version (ESV)
21 Then these men were bound in their cloaks, their tunics, their hats, and their other garments, and they were thrown into the burning fiery furnace. It was the tunic they wore as an undergarment... not pants. LOL
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05-18-2017, 12:38 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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Bro, that's an artists rendition of what they traditionally (whatever traditions that maybe) think it looked like. Not what the definition of the word actually means. The Hebrew also refers to hammer, due to its masculinity. Aquila? Hammered out wide? The Greek LXX doesn't use a word which describes hammered out wide? That Greek Old Testament which was used by all the Judean Diaspora didn't use a word which meant hammered out wide? Yet, that Greek Old Testament was used by Jesus and His apostles. Three different languages describing the same verse, and they don't agree with your interpretation of your lindquist's dictionary.
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Dude, it was the tunic they wore as an undergarment... not pants. LOL
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05-18-2017, 12:43 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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You want to give a single scripture stating that pants were specifically part of a man's attire and not a woman's?
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I have and gave definitions. Men wore pants women didn't wear pants. Even the words are masculine.
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05-18-2017, 12:44 PM
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Dude, it was the tunic they wore as an undergarment... not pants. LOL
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That's not what the writers of the Bible thought...Dude.
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05-18-2017, 12:45 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa
I have and gave definitions. Men wore pants women didn't wear pants. Even the words are masculine.
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You gave a mistranslated text and etymology based on the incorrectly translated word. The "hosen" were tunics commonly worn as undergarments.
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05-18-2017, 12:46 PM
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Re: More on Skirts
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That's not what the writers of the Bible thought...Dude. 
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The writers of the Bible obviously never mentioned something you stake your very salvation on.
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