Dave Bernard addresses beards

Originally Posted by NLYP

I did have to read his book for licenseing......many times I would scratch my head and think.."where does he come up with this"?

Yep, the same here. I'd read over hubby shoulder and think, where this guy find such things...:sshhh

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Elder, are angels in Revelation pastors or presbyters???

A pastor is a presbyter-bishop-shepherd all the same man.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

A pastor is a presbyter-bishop-shepherd all the same man.

That's the way I understand it too.

Do you have "elders" in your assembly?

Originally Posted by Sam

1 Tim 5:17 says, "Let the elders (Greek presbyteros) that rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the Word and doctrine"

Hebrews 13:7 says, "Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the Word of God to you..."

Peter called himself an elder and he wrote to elders to shepherd/pastor the flock of God and to serve as an overseer (NKJV) or take oversight (KJV). This sounds like a certain amount of authority to me. He also told them not to be
"lords over God's heritage" but to be an example. Then he told them to put on the towel of humilty (probably remembering Jesus in the upper room girding Himself and washing their feet), and exhorted young and old to serve one another and to submit to one another (1 Peter 5:1-6)

As far as "voting" someone into office,
The Apostles chose/elected/nominated two men and left it up to God to reveal His choice for an Apostle in Acts 1:23-26.
Looks like they chose/elected 6 men for servants/deacons in Acts chapter 6.

Hey Sam, I think his point wasn't a challenge of authority, but rather a matter of singular vs. plural.

The scriptures that you have shared denote a plurality, and Peter was excellent at reinforcing what Christian eldership was all about.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Funny thing really.....so many have revered him as "Mr. Holiness".....he writes a book titled "In Search Of...." and then gets towards the end of the search just to fnd out weve been wrong....
Thats kinda funny.

Please clarify this part. Towards the end of the search in the book... or are you saying he is changing his stance since he wrote it??

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

The idea of a synagogue would have to be researched. The Early Church stated in the synagogues. Sometimes Paul had the most trouble there also.

I don't know of more than one church per town in any locality not only Revelation. Tradition tells us that the church at Jerusalem had 12000 members with James as Pastor.

Where do you get james was the pastor of the church in jerusalem?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Sam

1 Tim 5:17 says, "Let the elders (Greek presbyteros) that rule well be counted worthy of double honor, especially those who labor in the Word and doctrine"

Hebrews 13:7 says, "Remember those who rule over you, who have spoken the Word of God to you..."

Peter called himself an elder and he wrote to elders to shepherd/pastor the flock of God and to serve as an overseer (NKJV) or take oversight (KJV). This sounds like a certain amount of authority to me. He also told them not to be
"lords over God's heritage" but to be an example. Then he told them to put on the towel of humilty (probably remembering Jesus in the upper room girding Himself and washing their feet), and exhorted young and old to serve one another and to submit to one another (1 Peter 5:1-6)

As far as "voting" someone into office,
The Apostles chose/elected/nominated two men and left it up to God to reveal His choice for an Apostle in Acts 1:23-26.
Looks like they chose/elected 6 men for servants/deacons in Acts chapter 6.

Yeah, "THEY" have the rule not him. The point is in the early church the church was led/ruled by elderS.

As far as electing pastor, your point is out of context. They chose 6 men to help take of the widows, far cry from being elected to rule over a church.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

That's the way I understand it too.

Do you have "elders" in your assembly?

Yes I do BUT I am the pastor. They serve under me not over me.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yes I do BUT I am the pastor. They serve under me not over me.

Does anybody rule over you?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by ILG

Does anybody rule over you?

Nope! He be the Pope ! All he needs is a funny hat.....no wait, he's allready got one.