How many times did you ask God for the Holy Ghost?

[easter]

Here is an interesting question concerning the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

Did the Holy Spirit enter Jesus at this point?If so then how confusing,if the Holy Spirit did not come down on Jesus then why do the scriptures indicate that the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus?

Anyone?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Standards

Then stop reading your pro-gay edition and pick up a KJV

Yeah, the KJV, the one used by all those Priests who couldn't keep their hands off of little boys and girls.

Let's not forget the nuns, either.........

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Tommy Darling

Um, I know I'm a rookie and all, but you guys should back off Standards. He seems sincere. He just believes in outward holiness, that's all.

Standards is the other personality of another user and only tries to stir up the arguement for his own amusement! Since you are a rookie I have a question? Where does the term outward holiness come fromand why does it mean dress code?

[Tommy Darling]

Oh, ok. Well, I believe in outward holiness, if that's what you're wanting to know. I believe that men and women should wear long sleeves and women shouldn't cut their hair. Women shouldn't wear make up and men shouldn't grow beards. I don't watch Hollywood or tv and I refuse to wear gold. I even avoid watches and gold buttons. I don't believe in slits, short skirts, pants on women, shorts on man or woman, costly clothing, and hair dye.

The Bible teaches us to be holy on the inside and on the outside. If you are holy on the inside, then it will show up on the outside.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by easter

Here is an interesting question concerning the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

Did the Holy Spirit enter Jesus at this point?If so then how confusing,if the Holy Spirit did not come down on Jesus then why do the scriptures indicate that the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus?

Anyone?

For ANOINTING IN MINISTRY as Jesus indicated when he read from Isaiah about "The Spirit of the Lord hath anointed me to preach..."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Tommy Darling

Oh, ok. Well, I believe in outward holiness, if that's what you're wanting to know. I believe that men and women should wear long sleeves and women shouldn't cut their hair. Women shouldn't wear make up and men shouldn't grow beards. I don't watch Hollywood or tv and I refuse to wear gold. I even avoid watches and gold buttons. I don't believe in slits, short skirts, pants on women, shorts on man or woman, costly clothing, and hair dye.

The Bible teaches us to be holy on the inside and on the outside. If you are holy on the inside, then it will show up on the outside.

This thread topic is about something totally different than standards. Maybe you could take this to another thread.

..as if threads have never gone off course before. lol

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by easter

Here is an interesting question concerning the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 3:16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting on him.

Did the Holy Spirit enter Jesus at this point?If so then how confusing,if the Holy Spirit did not come down on Jesus then why do the scriptures indicate that the Holy Spirit came down on Jesus?

Anyone?

John 1:29-34

The other Gospels give a "You Are There" type of account of the baptism of Jesus, but the Gospel of John takes it from a different angle. Rather than describing the baptism itself, John quotes John the Baptist's account of the baptism after the fact.

It would seem that the passage above takes place as Jesus is returning from the wilderness, so this is something like 40+ days after the baptism and the events surrounding it, the "dove" and all. Seeing it from this angle illuminates a bit more of the scene for us. Also, since John himself was a disciple of John the Baptist it is only natural that this account would be presented in this manner.

To quickly sum up the significance of the "dove" and the "voice" that was heard, from the account in John's Gospel alone one is left with the impression that only John the Baptist saw these signs. Forty or so days later, when he sees Jesus again John then "bares record" and tells his disciples of the events that he had seen and heard when he baptized "that guy right over there!" (To put it colloquially).

The whole "Baptism of Christ" scene and vision appears to have been a sign for John the Baptist alone since he has to reveal this vision to everyone else including his own disciples. Upon hearing the Baptist's account, two of John's disciples (we know one of them is Andrew and the other was probably John, the writer of this account) immediately follow after Jesus and we see a kind of "hand off" of the mantle of ministry from John the Baptist to Jesus Christ.

The appearance of the Holy Spirit then is not some sort of event intended to "anoint" Jesus with the Spirit of God, He already was "God manifest in the flesh." It is an event to mark the man Who was anointed with the Spirit without measure from birth so that John the Baptist would recognize Him for Who He is.

Who even saw this "dove" event?

"And John bare record, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God."

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Tommy Darling

Oh, ok. Well, I believe in outward holiness, if that's what you're wanting to know. I believe that men and women should wear long sleeves and women shouldn't cut their hair. Women shouldn't wear make up and men shouldn't grow beards. I don't watch Hollywood or tv and I refuse to wear gold. I even avoid watches and gold buttons. I don't believe in slits, short skirts, pants on women, shorts on man or woman, costly clothing, and hair dye.

The Bible teaches us to be holy on the inside and on the outside. If you are holy on the inside, then it will show up on the outside.

So outward holiness should be rephrased as THE DRESS CODE? SO you would immediatly say I am unholy because I am wearing a golf shirt?? I know where you get scripture for the gold ,pants on women and no cutting hair for women! But where does the long sleeves ,no beards and shorts come from??

[easter]

Originally Posted by mfblume

For ANOINTING IN MINISTRY as Jesus indicated when he read from Isaiah about "The Spirit of the Lord hath anointed me to preach..."

I understand this but if Jesus is God then why did God's Spirit come down and rest on him?How could his own Spirit come down and rest on him?

I know,I know.... to much thinking but it is an interesting and oddly confusing concept to get into!Also did Jesus perform any miracles before the Holy Spirit came down on him?
And I do know that Jesus is God's Son but still not sure about the oneness because I lean more to the Trinity of God!Also I know Jesus already had God's Spirit but it's still interesting when you think about it!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by easter

I understand this but if Jesus is God then why did God's Spirit come down and rest on him?How could his own Spirit come down and rest on him?

That is ONENESS 101 material. Jesus AS A MAN HAD TO BE anointed.

I know,I know.... to much thinking but it is an interesting and oddly confusing concept to get into!Also did Jesus perform any miracles before the Holy Spirit came down on him?

No miracles are recorded, God is silent on the issue, I doubt it, but we cannot say.