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[Aquila]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

How about this He is God and it is His will to do His will as He wills.

I'd say that falls under:

- God's plan doesn't include healing.

[Jermyn Davidson]

In bombings, in firefights, in mortar round attacks, in hidden IED's some brave men are completely delivered, some brave men are affected for the rest of their lives, and some brave men die.

Yet they are all brave men.

As Christians, we are in a war-- but it is a war not fought with flesh and blood. None of us are immune to the attacks of satan and his minions. Some of us are completely delivered. Some of us are affected for the rest of our lives. Some of us die.

Yet we are all Christians.

God will get the Glory in our lives, through our lives, and out of our lives in the Ways He sees fit.

Through medicine, through surgery, through miracle, through death-- God will get the Glory in the lives of His People.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I'd say that falls under:

- God's plan doesn't include healing.

And that directly contradicts everything I read in the word of God.

He healed them all.
He healed them all.

Over and over in the Gospels, Jesus is written to have healed everyone who was sick or diseased.

I do not accept that it is not God's will to heal. It is God's will to heal. Why some do not receive healing, I don't know. But I do not blame it on God's will.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Why does this frustrate you. I don't agree with your logic that "Gods children" (by which I am assuming you are referring to saved individuals) will have diseases. What are you meaning by sin's disease and oppressive disease? Having the Holy Ghost only assures our eternal soul salvation it does not mean we will not suffer and die physically. Why God heals different people? Ask HIM when you arrive in Heaven. I have seen sinners instantly healed and saints suffer for years. There is no answer.

Disease came as a result of sin. There was no disease in the garden. Oppressive = mental illnesses.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

I still believe God heals. I still believe it is His will to heal, mind, body and soul. I just don't understand why some are not healed.

I think the above question tends to haunt many of us. I listed a list of reasons why God might not heal, but as I contemplate this more things pop into my head. So, I might be posting a series of smaller posts with smaller points as I brain storm. Here's one that came to me a few minutes ago...

Could legalism hinder healing?

Let me explain why I ask that question.

Legalism is the heavy burden of carrying biblical or even non-biblical standards, rules, laws that are designed to help one "earn" or "merit" salvation and God's favor. In excessively legalistic systems, it is common for individuals to put forth the image of perfection (because they must) while deeply struggling with their own imperfections and feelings of not being worthy. If the healer feels unworthy deep down inside, and the sick feels unworthy deep down inside...might it kill the faith necessary for healing power to flow? (Doubt due to feeling unworthy.)

In addition, legalism assails personal holiness. Might the pride of legalism hinder healing? The healer could be prepared to take some degree of credit or glory from the healing on account of their being "holy" enough, or even the sick themselves being in a position to claim some degree of credit or glory on account of being "holy" enough. (Pride due to feeling especially worthy.)

Thoughts?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

And that directly contradicts everything I read in the word of God.

He healed them all.
He healed them all.

Over and over in the Gospels, Jesus is written to have healed everyone who was sick or diseased.

I do not accept that it is not God's will to heal. It is God's will to heal. Why some do not receive healing, I don't know. But I do not blame it on God's will.

Can you develop this thought of yours for me? The first thing that popped into my head was if it isn't God's will that we become sick, suffer, and eventually die... why do we? It's all a part of the curse and our fallen condition. Which isn't God's perfect will, but since sin entered the picture, it is what God willed for all mankind in our fallen state.

The one thing I think we can all say is that with absolute certainty, we will all grow old, become sick, and as a result... die. Unless Jesus returns first of course. Consider this, even the people healed in Scripture eventually grew old, got sick again, and perished.

Can you develop this more? I might not be understanding your take on it.

[Aquila]

Could the following be another possible reason why so many aren't healed?

1 Corinthians 11:26-30 English Standard Version (ESV)
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.
27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.

Might we be failing to discern the body properly as it relates to the Lord's Supper? Could we not be properly examining ourselves when taking part of this blessed ordinance?

What does it mean to "discern the body"?

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Can you develop this thought of yours for me? The first thing that popped into my head was if it isn't God's will that we become sick, suffer, and eventually die... why do we? It's all a part of the curse and our fallen condition. Which isn't God's perfect will, but since sin entered the picture, it is what God willed for all mankind.

The one thing I think we can all say is that with absolute certainty, we will all grow old, become sick, and as a result die. Unless Jesus returns first of course. Even the people healed in Scripture eventually grew old, got sick again, and perished.

Can you develop this more? I might not be understanding your take on it.

Basically same question I had.

[navygoat1998]

We all have something, growing up I was molested in the orange groves behind our trailer, by some dirty old dude and then in the woods by an older brother of one of my friends.

I watched my first wife die of breast cancer and there was nothing I could do as the alarms go off on the machines and as her heart stopped beating, as my 18 year old daughter who was expecting our first grand-child walked in.

I gave mouth to mouth to a dead Master Sergeant in the Barracks at Naval Air-station Lemoore, He had hung himself in his closet and wrapped himself in trash bags. My friend and I took him down and worked to save him. Death had already set in.

I have more to tell, but I don't dwell upon that, I have chosen to dwell on the liberating power of Jesus Christ. Am I perfect? Nope! But I have a Savior who is and has opened up His Cross for me that I might die to myself daily.
I know this much, I can do nothing apart from Him, but I can do all things through Him who strengthens me.

Not preaching today, I am off, so I want to clean the downstairs bathroom, wash and dry a load of clothes and clean-out the fridge, before my rib gets home from work. I like to surprise her

Love you my brethren!

[JoeBandy]

You guys may think I am crazy, but I don't even pray for healing of common colds, headaches, broken bones, broke down cars , sick pets, indigestion, and dozens of other ailments. I am human I will get these things, I suffer some of these things because of my choice of diet. I have not asked God to heal my shoulder. Things happen in life to us humans. To think we will go through life with no ache and no pain is just .. well plain silly. I have the Gout as I type. I have not once prayed about it. I know it comes from my diet. To ask God to heal us from a disease that comes from our own lifestyle is pretty selfish.