Marriage Rejuvenation?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Every state has guidelines and a worksheet which determines the amount of child support. In some cases a couple may deviate from the guidelines, but in every case, the order must be approved by the AGs office and signed by a Judge or Commissioner in court. A couple may sign a stipulated agreement, but it must be approved by an AG and signed by the court in order to be effective and binding.

Aquila, child support falls under the Federal Government. It also has NO Statutes of Limitations. You sitting down with Pastor Barney and agreeing with your ex-girlfriend you are going to give 5 bucks a week, will do nothing to protect you, your ex-girlfriend, or the children. You must live in an alternate universe to think you can sit in a pastor's office and make an arrangement.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I contend that marriage is a natural right, and a couple has a natural right, under natural law, to enter covenant before God without involving the government.

Natural Law:
Natural law (Latin: ius naturale, lex naturalis) is a philosophy asserting that certain rights are inherent by virtue of human nature endowed by nature; traditionally God or a transcendent source, and can be understood universally through human reason. As determined by nature, the law of nature is implied to be universal existing independently of the positive law of a given state, political order, legislature or society at large.

Think about this. The government requires a marriage "license" before it will recognize a marriage. A license is permission to do that which is illegal. No license was needed prior to all this. Where does government get the right to make marriage illegal?

Your marriage is illegal. Everyone's marriage is illegal. That's why you needed a license to get the government to recognize it.

It's an assault on our natural rights.

Are you Peter Pan?

Bro, you sound like the Anarchists I know. While everything they say sounds good on paper. It falls flat on its face in application. Government was created God. Government rulers whether you like them or not are set up by God. Joseph went to the Government census with HIS WIFE. Betrothed to him through documentation set up by his town's government which were religious. Then the government of the occupying force who collected TAXES want to know how much money they should expect. So, they didn't trust the local governments to give them the numbers. They went and made law that all must show up and be counted. Your hippy love in liberal goof ball do it your way, only works if you go off the grid and live in the woods.

Aquila does the elders in your home church know you aren't married? Do they know the little story of you eating bacon while you watch your girlfriend flipping pancakes in the nude?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Every state has guidelines and a worksheet which determines the amount of child support. In some cases a couple may deviate from the guidelines, but in every case, the order must be approved by the AGs office and signed by a Judge or Commissioner in court. A couple may sign a stipulated agreement, but it must be approved by an AG and signed by the court in order to be effective and binding.

My point is that it can be settled without a court battle.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I said he "can" go to the court, not that he "should".

Do you believe in the freedom of religion? Marriage is a natural right, not a civil right. The government has over stepped its bounds.

Aquila, what's next--"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is"?

I asked YOU how Bill and Diane would work out child custody if they had no marriage license, and the child had no birth certificate or SSN. That is why I quoted the letter you posted, which you shared to argue YOUR point.

So, if you are Bill, and your fiancée is Diane, and you have an undocumented kid, how would YOU work out Child Custody if she did not want you to have any visitation?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

My point is that it can be settled without a court battle.

Where children are involved then it escalates. Your signature in a family Bible is somewhat like the Anarchist's view point. To quote the Federalist, "If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary." So, I understand how liberals view everything through a shangri la utopian filter. As everything will be perfect if we all follow their quirky thinking. Yet, it never works when you put down the crayons and act it all out. No marriage license just ends up with needed rights being forfeited. The Apostle Paul didn't think like you. He fully understand how his FREEBORN Roman citizenship enabled him to move throughout the empire. How to get himself out of a tight spot. Yet, your idiot Matt Trewhell, hasn't a clue about government, and how it works for us, and not always against us. Evil government? Roman Empire was off the charts, and the Apostle Paul utilized his citizen status whenever he felt the need.

Bro, go find a church and a pastor.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Aquila, what's next--"It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is"?

I asked YOU how Bill and Diane would work out child custody if they had no marriage license, and the child had no birth certificate or SSN. That is why I quoted the letter you posted, which you shared to argue YOUR point.

So, if you are Bill, and your fiancée is Diane, and you have an undocumented kid,

how would YOU work out Child Custody if she did not want you to have any visitation?

Aquila you don't take these issues into consideration. Laws don't always work against you. They are set in place to be able to help you. Hence the reason for making everything legal. Instead of signing a Family Bible, and having your girlfriend slap you with a hasta la vista, then move to British Columbia with your children. Leaving you standing there like the lonely boy on the beach. You would be able to have some legal recourse. Or if she owns the house, and decides to have her two gorilla brothers explain the situation in some radioactive terms. You have nothing to say but have red weepy eyes and tell her goodbye. Standing at the bus stop in the rain with your soggy Family Bible tucked under your arm.

Naked breakfast helps a relationship?

Is your name Tarzan?

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Are you Peter Pan?

Bro, you sound like the Anarchists I know. While everything they say sounds good on paper. It falls flat on its face in application. Government was created God. Government rulers whether you like them or not are set up by God. Joseph went to the Government census with HIS WIFE. Betrothed to him through documentation set up by his town's government which were religious. Then the government of the occupying force who collected TAXES want to know how much money they should expect. So, they didn't trust the local governments to give them the numbers. They went and made law that all must show up and be counted. Your hippy love in liberal goof ball do it your way, only works if you go off the grid and live in the woods.

Aquila does the elders in your home church know you aren't married? Do they know the little story of you eating bacon while you watch your girlfriend flipping pancakes in the nude?

Its terribly risky cooking bacon naked....or so Ive heard.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Its terribly risky cooking bacon naked....or so Ive heard.

No doubt about that my brother.

Splatter, spit, high flame, and Aquila looking like naked sweaty Sontaran.

[jediwill83]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No doubt about that my brother.

Splatter, spit, high flame, and Aquila looking like naked sweaty Sontaran.

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[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

My point is that it can be settled without a court battle.

Perhaps without a battle, depending on the couple, but it still must go through the court to be legally binding. If one is opposed to courts at all, then they're in a pickle.