Islam: A Religion of Lies...

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

We will see how much of a myth this really is as times goes by. It is the same issue as this Administration refusing to use the word terrorism.


Yes, I see, following your information here, where you get your talking points - DemocraticUnderground, RightWingWatch and Politicususa.



You would prefer someone who is Anti-semitic? Senator Ted Cruz, while not a governor and possibly not able to win the nomination, fights from strictly Constitution law. But, sad to say, he is not Anti-semitic and neither is Gov. Bobby Jindal.

Don't attack the information. Attack the source. LOL. That stuff is all over the internet actually. Randomly picked.

I'm more of a Bloomberg guy myself. You claiming that was not derived from Bloomberg?

On the issue of Semitism vs. Zionism I'll stick with these folks. Attack this source. America should not fund and support this and sure should not provide the military hardware to do it.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.612072

"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza

"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.

"We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.

"Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.

"We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"

"Semitic" includes Jews AND Arabs. Why would I vote for an "anti-Semitic" president? Better question, why would YOU vote for a candidate who supports the only concentration camps on the entire globe while holding opposing views from the only people on the globe who lived through them? Something to think about. But he's "strictly constitutional" right? We need a president who applies constitutional principles EVERYWHERE.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

A Saudi man gets 1,000 lashes, five years in prison, a travel ban and he cannot speak to the press for five years because he has no freedom of speech. Yes, Saudi Arabia is very safe.

And, again, a point you keep glossing over is that if there is murder and violence in America, it is not supported by Christians nor are these crimes committed in the name of Jesus Christ. More importantly, a person committing these acts cannot honestly call themselves Christians.

"Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after." I Timothy 5:24

You may denounce these radical acts so that you can keep posting here, but America will not be satisfied until the "moderate" Muslims leaders stand up and push back against these acts of terror. Until that happens, people are not going to believe there is such a thing as a moderate Muslim.

Laugh away. I have not glossed anything. I openly declared your "betterness" and the "betterness" of your murderers because their motives are purer. Still not enough, but I did it. Still not satisfied, but I told you that this hole cannot be filled. You think I denounce "so I can keep posting" that's your view. Doesn't add up, but it's yours. Welcome to it.

I did not swing the sword that beheaded the little devils so you cannot say that Muslim countries do not try, convict, and execute terrorists. I support it and my Saudi colleagues support it - you sure don't see anyone over here standing up and defending them.

You are left with........making things up? Fail. Next. You missed Amanpour on CNN. She interviewed a Saudi judge, and he clearly said that this punishment given to this kid was excessive and will be overturned. Stay current with your news (OH wait, why would Fox report THAT?) That was yesterday. That story is sort of big here. Folks don't seem to agree with it. Judges themselves don't seem to agree with it. I still don't lock my doors.

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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Don't attack the information. Attack the source. LOL. That stuff is all over the internet actually. Randomly picked.

I'm more of a Bloomberg guy myself. You claiming that was not derived from Bloomberg?

On the issue of Semitism vs. Zionism I'll stick with these folks. Attack this source. America should not fund and support this and sure should not provide the military hardware to do it.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.612072

"Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of Nazi genocide unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza

"As Jewish survivors and descendants of survivors and victims of the Nazi genocide we unequivocally condemn the massacre of Palestinians in Gaza and the ongoing occupation and colonization of historic Palestine. We further condemn the United States for providing Israel with the funding to carry out the attack, and Western states more generally for using their diplomatic muscle to protect Israel from condemnation. Genocide begins with the silence of the world.

"We are alarmed by the extreme, racist dehumanization of Palestinians in Israeli society, which has reached a fever-pitch. In Israel, politicians and pundits in The Times of Israel and The Jerusalem Post have called openly for genocide of Palestinians and right-wing Israelis are adopting Neo-Nazi insignia.

"Furthermore, we are disgusted and outraged by Elie Wiesel’s abuse of our history in these pages to justify the unjustifiable: Israel’s wholesale effort to destroy Gaza and the murder of more than 2,000 Palestinians, including many hundreds of children. Nothing can justify bombing UN shelters, homes, hospitals and universities. Nothing can justify depriving people of electricity and water.

"We must raise our collective voices and use our collective power to bring about an end to all forms of racism, including the ongoing genocide of Palestinian people. We call for an immediate end to the siege against and blockade of Gaza. We call for the full economic, cultural and academic boycott of Israel. “Never again” must mean NEVER AGAIN FOR ANYONE!"

"Semitic" includes Jews AND Arabs. Why would I vote for an "anti-Semitic" president? Better question, why would YOU vote for a candidate who supports the only concentration camps on the entire globe while holding opposing views from the only people on the globe who lived through them? Something to think about. But he's "strictly constitutional" right? We need a president who applies constitutional principles EVERYWHERE.

How interesting that this group doesn't recognize the fact that Hamas was hiding weapons in all of these locations - not caring one bit about their citizenry. They lose credibility walking past that in their letter.

And you are right, Semitic includes Jews as well as Arabs. That was very plainly seen during WWII when the American Jews didn't want to aide their own people.

I believe I heard Mark Levin state that they were "sell outs" to their faith. That is probably true, but they don't walk around threatening to behead anyone who doesn't believe in their God.

Interestingly, a friend of mine was sharing their recent visit to Israel and noted, although not feeling threatened or unsafe, that the Palestinians were in every way more aggressive than the Jewish people.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

Laugh away. I have not glossed anything. I openly declared your "betterness" and the "betterness" of your murderers because their motives are purer. Still not enough, but I did it. Still not satisfied, but I told you that this hole cannot be filled. You think I denounce "so I can keep posting" that's your view. Doesn't add up, but it's yours. Welcome to it.

I did not swing the sword that beheaded the little devils so you cannot say that Muslim countries do not try, convict, and execute terrorists. I support it and my Saudi colleagues support it - you sure don't see anyone over here standing up and defending them.

You are left with........making things up? Fail. Next. You missed Amanpour on CNN. She interviewed a Saudi judge, and he clearly said that this punishment given to this kid was excessive and will be overturned. Stay current with your news (OH wait, why would Fox report THAT?) That was yesterday. That story is sort of big here. Folks don't seem to agree with it. Judges themselves don't seem to agree with it. I still don't lock my doors.

Yes, we have so much confidence in Christiane Amanpour who referenced the Islamic terrorists as "activists" in France.

Well, we don't know if the Saudi Judge is telling the truth or not. But perhaps because of public pressure, he had to capitulate.

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How interesting that this group doesn't recognize the fact that Hamas was hiding weapons in all of these locations - not caring one bit about their citizenry. They lose credibility walking past that in their letter.

And you are right, Semitic includes Jews as well as Arabs. That was very plainly seen during WWII when the American Jews didn't want to aide their own people.

I believe I heard Mark Levin state that they were "sell outs" to their faith. That is probably true, but they don't walk around threatening to behead anyone who doesn't believe in their God.

Interestingly, a friend of mine was sharing their recent visit to Israel and noted, although not feeling threatened or unsafe, that the Palestinians were in every way more aggressive than the Jewish people.

Sellouts. Is that your label?

http://www.imemc.org/article/68916

Dear Raymond Arroyo,

I was watching your world over segment last night on EWTN and I had some concerns. My name is Mary I'm a conservative Catholic from Bethlehem Palestine.

I know you didn't think we existed - don't worry you're not the only one.

Besides, Israel propaganda does a great job making sure people think Palestinians only consist of mean crazy Muslims fighting the innocent virtuous God chosen people.

I couldn't help but notice you were one of them, which struck me as very odd considering you work for a religious channel not political, and even if you yourself had your biases it should not be portrayed on your show.

Let me clarify some things if I may, sir. I have three cousins that are priests an uncle who is a Bishop look them up Bishop William Shomali, Fr. Ibrahim Shomali and Fr. Issa Shomali.

My mother lived in Rome for ten years, she almost got ordained to become a nun.

Yes we are pretty conservative and we are proud of our faith. Growing up in occupied Palestine just made our faith even stronger.

Watching on a daily basis Israeli jeeps with huge rifles sticking out from the back of the jeep threatening to shoot us at any moment just because we happened to live on the wrong side of town.

On the way to my St Joseph all-girls Catholic school I saw them making dirty comments, staring me in the face, mocking me.

I saw them shoot little children because they threw rocks at them, and sometimes for absolutely no reason.

In my peaceful town of Beit Sahour, mostly Christians, the first boy to get killed by Israelis was 16 years old.

He was walking home from the store when Israeli soldiers dropped a huge rock on his head from the top of a building and watched him crawl home bleeding until he died at the front steps of his home. He was Christian, he did nothing to them.

Yet you don't feel any sympathy for him. The second boy was at home in the kitchen watching his mom making fries.

An Israeli settler -- you know, those guys who built a home illegally on Palestinian land and are armed -- shot him through the window and killed him in front of his mom.

His name was Salam, it means peace. He was a Christian, not involved in anything. Yet you wouldn't feel any sympathy for him because he's not Jewish.

I can go on and on and on about how Israel was created, the wars literally kicking people out of their homes and moving in them, the massacres.

The times when they would put the whole town on house arrest, which means we can't leave the home or look out the window. It would take weeks sometimes.

We are Christians and yet you wouldn't feel any sympathy for us. When they would set us free they would shout in the microphone in their jeeps "home arrest is off you dogs and cows and donkeys". And yet it's all justified.

One time a Christian nurse from my home town took home a young boy who was wounded by Israeli soldiers. He was involved in a protest against occupation and must have thrown a rock at one of the jeeps (oh the horror!)

The soldiers went to her home, and arrested and imprisoned her for years for treating a wounded boy; how dare she!!

And when the town had many protests to free her they released her to Jordan and she was never allowed back to her home. And yet we are the terrorists and you have no sympathy for us.

My ancestors come from that land back in the days when people lived in caves even.

What if we are the original Christians that followed Jesus 2000 years ago -- wouldn't we have the same right to live there in dignity and yet we have none.

And you don't care. We will continue to carry the cross proudly on our shoulder and suffer, we will continue to pray for our enemy and for peace.

We will not hate, we will only tell the truth. This is what our Bible teaches; you should try doing the same. Peace be with you my friend.

Love, Mary Alshomaly from the Holy Land of Jesus

Another sellout?

[Walks_in_islam]

More sellouts?

http://www.kairospalestine.ps/

This document is the Christian Palestinians’ word to the world about what is happening in Palestine. It is written at this time when we wanted to see the Glory of the grace of God in this land and in the sufferings of its people. In this spirit the document requests the international community to stand by the Palestinian people who have faced oppression, displacement, suffering and clear apartheid for more than six decades. The suffering continues while the international community silently looks on at the occupying State, Israel. Our word is a cry of hope, with love, prayer and faith in God. We address it first of all to ourselves and then to all the churches and Christians in the world, asking them to stand against injustice and apartheid, urging them to work for a just peace in our region, calling on them to revisit theologies that justify crimes perpetrated against our people and the dispossession of the land.

In this historic document, we Palestinian Christians declare that the military occupation of our land is a sin against God and humanity, and that any theology that legitimizes the occupation is far from Christian teachings because true Christian theology is a theology of love and solidarity with the oppressed, a call to justice and equality among peoples.

This document did not come about spontaneously, and it is not the result of a coincidence. It is not a theoretical theological study or a policy paper, but is rather a document of faith and work. Its importance stems from the sincere expression of the concerns of the people and their view of this moment in history we are living through. It seeks to be prophetic in addressing things as they are without equivocation and with boldness, in addition it puts forward ending the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land and all forms of discrimination as the solution that will lead to a just and lasting peace. The document also demands that all peoples, political leaders and decision-makers put pressure on Israel and take legal measures in order to oblige its government to put an end to its oppression and disregard for the international law. The document also holds a clear position that non-violent resistance to this injustice is a right and duty for all Palestinians including Christians.

The initiators of this document have been working on it for more than a year, in prayer and discussion, guided by their faith in God and their love for their people, accepting advice from many friends: Palestinians, Arabs and those from the wider international community. We are grateful to our friends for their solidarity with us.

[Walks_in_islam]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/philip...b_5434333.html

I am writing this letter on behalf of a group of Americans of Palestinian Christian heritage, the Palestinian Christian Alliance for Peace. We feel deeply indebted to the Presbyterian advocates for the divestment overture, and we urge all Presbyterians to support it. Palestinian Christians, like the rest of Palestinian civil society, overwhelmingly support the use of economic measures to pressure Israel to end its oppressive occupation that has lasted 47 years.

In 2009, prominent leaders from denominations representing the majority of Palestinian Christians issued the historic Kairos Palestine document, fashioned after the South African churches' call for international solidarity with the freedom movement in their country. The document states the following:

Palestinian civil organizations... call on individuals, companies and states to engage in divestment and in an economic and commercial boycott of everything produced by the occupation. We understand this to integrate the logic of peaceful resistance. These advocacy campaigns must be carried out with courage, openly sincerely proclaiming that their object is not revenge but rather to put an end to the existing evil, liberating both the perpetrators and the victims of injustice. The aim is to free both peoples from extremist positions of the different Israeli governments, bringing both to justice and reconciliation.

More sellouts?

It is YOU who are like the American Jews who looked the other way while their fellows were subjected to the horrible treatment in the camps in Germany.

It looks like your fellow christians have more of a problem with the Israelis than they do with the Muslims.

At least the ones who are (actually) there. Excludes the tourists. Better check in with your friend?

[Walks_in_islam]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Yes, we have so much confidence in Christiane Amanpour who referenced the Islamic terrorists as "activists" in France.

Well, we don't know if the Saudi Judge is telling the truth or not. But perhaps because of public pressure, he had to capitulate.

Saudi judge specifically said he didn't give two shakes about pressure from outside. I believe that.

[Walks_in_islam]

Hey did your friend notice anything like this?

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...-them-1.137099

A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop's 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, Shmuel Evyatar, describes the situation as "a huge disgrace." He says most of the instigators are yeshiva students studying in the Old City who view the Christian religion with disdain.

"I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it," he says.

Evyatar says he himself was spat at while walking with a Serbian bishop in the Jewish quarter, near his home. "A group of yeshiva students spat at us and their teacher just stood by and watched."

Small wonder Ted Cruz had to leave the stage. This is what he, and anyone who supports him, stands for.

These are probably sellouts too though.

"If you don't stand for this, Ted Cruz won't stand with you". Put him with "Holy Cow" Jindal. Find someone who believes that the constitution applies everywhere and go with him.