Tulsa Report Day 2

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

Somebody got skewered in a sore spot... oh, my my!!

I guess one man's 'skewered' is another mans 'slander'.

Unfortunately, I would have expected as much.

[George]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

There is a group of men who initiated the meeting and steer the meeting they are the steering committee they decide the dates and who preaches and see that they get paid. Offerings are taken to cover expenses. The committee is not promoted nor do they have any offices. It was their burden and it is their meeting like meetings all across the nation. There never was an intent to organize and now 5 years later the feeling is the same. I personally know every member on this committee and some are personal friends for years. They are happy just to have church.

Thanks for your explanation. Would I be safe to assume this translates their meetings are conducted more conservatively/humbly (not high falutin' high dollar high rollers) and without alot of pomp and circumstance?

[RevBuddy]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

I guess one man's 'skewered' is another mans 'slander'.

Unfortunately, I would have expected as much.

It would be better if you discussed a matter, rather than emotionalize...

[Felicity]

I'm happy to be living in an area where this whole Tulsa thing is hardly a blip on the radar.

[Melody]

can someone add things to your post if they are quoting?

It looks like Bro Epley's post was changed in a quote?

[TrmptPraise]

Originally Posted by Melody

can someone add things to your post if they are quoting?

It looks like Bro Epley's post was changed in a quote?

Yes, StMark was attempting to be humorous.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Melody

can someone add things to your post if they are quoting?

It looks like Bro Epley's post was changed in a quote?

Yes, you can add and you can also delete part of a post and just quote the part that you specifically want to reply to.

Shouldn't be adding to a post though.

[Tina]

Originally Posted by pelathais

With respect, whenever I hear something like this I find that the "drastic changes" never even happened. Maybe you are sincere, but this just strikes me as the kind of "competitive holiness" that is so insidious.

This sounds like Steadfast's accusation about "UPC" homosexuals "shacking up without ever even backsliding." Didn't happen. Pure and simple.

In fact, the only instance of tolerating homosexuality within the UPC that I ever knew to exist involved an on-again-off-again "Tulsa Coordinator."

Once again we see the Tulsa apologists and their "great spirit" and just how they take the "high road." Innuedo, half-truths and outright fabrications.

They did this after Youth Congress and they did this after General Conference. Just because they managed to forgo the constant character assassination for a few hours last week they want us to believe their rant about their "pure motives" and "right spirit."

Just one question about the above post...Are you calling Steadfast a liar?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by George

Thanks for your explanation. Would I be safe to assume this translates their meetings are conducted more conservatively/humbly (not high falutin' high dollar high rollers) and without alot of pomp and circumstance?

The only preacher of the platform besides whoever is leading the service is the preacher doing the preaching. The committee that is in charge is not introduced as such nor have they been. Men from the UPC-AMF- and various independent fellowships have preached. None of them have been bashed.
On the committee are UPC-AMF-again GIBs from different fellowship areas.
So the focus of the meeting is simple:
prayer
praise
preaching
fellowship
I think I do remember seeing someone praise dancing at least I think they were.

Originally Posted by RevBuddy

It would be better if you discussed a matter, rather than emotionalize...

Discuss the matter! What do you think I did... ?

Here, RevBuddy, is a systematic explaination of 'discuss':

• I didn't say what I was accused of saying.
• I was basically called a liar for no reason.
• I didn't appreciate my words being twisted for the sole reason of being called a liar.

How's that? Okay... next.

He perverted a small portion of what I actually did say in a prior, extensive post describing why some people want to find a more conservative quality of fellowship.

There... that prior post was also discussion on the matter that was at hand and not some backhanded cheap shot at leaders, convictions or character.

Let's face it, RevBuddy, why don't I find something about you that I know nothing about and twist it for the purpose of accusing you of lying. Let me start eloquating my unknowledgeable opinions, say on your family - church - ministry, and twisting certain details to make it look like you are a liar lacking character.

What a class act. 'Emotionalism'? Ridiculous! In this place it's called preservation of character.