Trying to Rescue Another from HMH Doctrine

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I haven't read all the responses on this thread - I don't have the time for that.... just logged in for a minute - so this may have already been covered:

I am 4th generation Pentecostal. My roots go back to the time of the merger. I have long hair (well below my waist) because it is my preference (although a major pain sometimes). I do not condemn (nor condone) those who choose to cut their hair. I personally believe that is between them and God. However, having said that, let me say the following:

I well remember the time when it "suddenly" became wrong to trim the dead-ends from our hair. Prior to that time, little girls often had bangs and their hair was usually kept trimmed shoulder length or just a little longer. My aunts and my mother kept their hair trimmed to about the middle of the back and usually wore the "roll" around their shoulders (don't really know how to describe it). Sometimes they wore it in a "french twist". It was in the early 60's that at our church, it began being taught that trimming the hair was wrong, at the same time "spit curls" on each side of the forehead were also preached against. Shortly after this time (mid to late 60's) was when all the very elaborate "big" hair-dos started.

I don't know who preached it where that my pastor brought it home to us and began to preach against it, I just know it was difficult for my mom to let my split ends go. But she did - out of obedience. (I rebelled once in my teen years and trimmed the ends so that it would be "even" across my back.)

I also remember having AofG friends who trimmed their hair, but it was "long". It was the late sixties when they began cutting it above the shoulders.

So, I guess my point is that I don't see how it has "always" been a part of our doctrine that long = uncut. ??????

another person explaining how "long" has not always meant "uncut" in their experience.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I haven't read all the responses on this thread - I don't have the time for that.... just logged in for a minute - so this may have already been covered:

I am 4th generation Pentecostal. My roots go back to the time of the merger. I have long hair (well below my waist) because it is my preference (although a major pain sometimes). I do not condemn (nor condone) those who choose to cut their hair. I personally believe that is between them and God. However, having said that, let me say the following:

I well remember the time when it "suddenly" became wrong to trim the dead-ends from our hair. Prior to that time, little girls often had bangs and their hair was usually kept trimmed shoulder length or just a little longer. My aunts and my mother kept their hair trimmed to about the middle of the back and usually wore the "roll" around their shoulders (don't really know how to describe it). Sometimes they wore it in a "french twist". It was in the early 60's that at our church, it began being taught that trimming the hair was wrong, at the same time "spit curls" on each side of the forehead were also preached against. Shortly after this time (mid to late 60's) was when all the very elaborate "big" hair-dos started.

I don't know who preached it where that my pastor brought it home to us and began to preach against it, I just know it was difficult for my mom to let my split ends go. But she did - out of obedience. (I rebelled once in my teen years and trimmed the ends so that it would be "even" across my back.)

I also remember having AofG friends who trimmed their hair, but it was "long". It was the late sixties when they began cutting it above the shoulders.

So, I guess my point is that I don't see how it has "always" been a part of our doctrine that long = uncut. ??????

If I'm not mistaken this would have been about the time that Donna Reed made that particular hairstyle popular.

Man, it just seems to weird to think about preachers preaching against something that Donna Reed was doing at the time... LOL

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Falla39

My paternal grandmother was raised from her deathbed in 1926. She was 28 yrs of age. She heard the Acts 2 message of New Testament salvation in 1933 after being a devout Bible reading, praying Methodist for 21 yrs. She searched it out, promptly obeyed it. She had worn long hair in the Methodist church until the "Roaring Twenties" when the "Bob" came in. She cut her long hair and put on a "chemise" and danced the Charleston.

After she heard, searched out and obeyed the Acts 2 message of salvation, she never cut her hair again. She lived until Oct. 1984. There are those of five generations of her family that have never touched scissors, etc. to their hair since receiving the Holy Ghost over 50 yrs ago. Some have never done so, having received the Holy Ghost at a young age. I can assure you that it is more than a mere tradition, or novelty.

So the idea that S.G Norris or Murray Burr started the "uncut" hair doctrine (teaching) is not true! It may be the first some had or have heard of it, but that doesn't mean that was the beginning. Jesus said that after the Comforter, the Spirt of Truth had come, He would lead and guide into all truth. The Holy Ghost came and Grandma begin to allow the Spirit to be her guide. That was the beginning of a new life for their family. I was born a few short years later.

Grandma and her son, my late father, had never heard the Apostolic Pentecostal message of Acts 2 until 1933, but that didn't mean it had not been heard by others elsewhere. That just happened to be when JESUS visited their little town. Jerusalem didn't know the day of their visitation, but some in the little town of Savoy, Tx did hear His Voice. Today if we will hear His Voice, let's not harden our hearts as in the day of provocation. Moses in rehearsing the wilderness journey to the children of Israel, told them why the journey was necessary. God took them through the long howling wilderness to HUMBLE them, to PROVE them, to SEE WHAT was in their hearts, and to see if they would obey all of His commandments or no. Deut.8: 2-4

Falla39

Amen.

[Jay]

I know that when my Grandmother was in the church, she knew of the preaching against cut hair. She is now in her 80s. There was a tradition in the ranks of the Oneness movement (and it has recently grown in prominence) that did not hold such a line, and can also be traced back to the founding in '48. Bro. Verbal Bean mentioned this while preaching in Laurel, MS in the 60s.

I believe that the prevalent perversions of our day can be directly traced to the 1920s when the cutting of women's hair became prominent. From that day to this, we have been on a steady trajectory toward moral destruction.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Jay

I believe that the prevalent perversions of our day can be directly traced to the 1920s when the cutting of women's hair became prominent. From that day to this, we have been on a steady trajectory toward moral destruction.

Do you read this mess before you post?

[houston]

Apparently all of societies ills are the fault of bob-haired bimbos that wear bifurcated garments.

[tv1a]

Man has been blaming the woman since the Garden of Eden. Why should things be any different now?

Originally Posted by Jay

I know that when my Grandmother was in the church, she knew of the preaching against cut hair. She is now in her 80s. There was a tradition in the ranks of the Oneness movement (and it has recently grown in prominence) that did not hold such a line, and can also be traced back to the founding in '48. Bro. Verbal Bean mentioned this while preaching in Laurel, MS in the 60s.

I believe that the prevalent perversions of our day can be directly traced to the 1920s when the cutting of women's hair became prominent. From that day to this, we have been on a steady trajectory toward moral destruction.

[tv1a]

Society went to hell the day women were allowed to speak in public.

Originally Posted by houston

Apparently all of societies ills are the fault of bob-haired bimbos that wear bifurcated garments.

[houston]

Originally Posted by tv1a

society went to hell the day women were allowed to speak in public.

bahahaha

[Jay]

You do not have to agree with me, and your insults are of no effect. If you have not done your research, then it is no fault of mine. History and historical trends are a special interest of mine. You can trace the fall of every nation to a collapse of their morality. The statement that those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it holds true today.