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Old 07-24-2008, 08:40 AM
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Re: Is the Media Unfair to McCain?

As with many issues the states rights have been abdicated in the name of safety for all countrymen thus giving control to the central government.

The neutralization of states rights is a travesty of the highest order. Governmental intrusion in the following areas have ruined America.

1) National Welfare

2) Social Security

3) Minnimum Wage

4) Mandatory Benefits

5) Abrogation of states rights

These are issues of which we as Americans will not see changed because we have fostered a culture of entitlement and laziness.

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Old 07-24-2008, 08:43 AM
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Re: Is the Media Unfair to McCain?

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As with many issues the states rights have been abdicated in the name of safety for all countrymen thus giving control to the central government.

The neutralization of states rights is a travesty of the highest order. Governmental intrusion in the following areas have ruined America.

1) National Welfare

2) Social Security

3) Minnimum Wage

4) Mandatory Benefits

5) Abrogation of states rights

These are issues of which we as Americans will not see changed because we have fostered a culture of entitlement and laziness.

Only the Lord coming will save us!
I agree with what you stated above, but regarding the last sentence, doesn't that mean you should vote for the people who are more likely to cause Armageddon/WW3, etc.?
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:45 AM
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Here's a question I'd like to present. Who's right to life and health should be protected...a pregnant woman's or her unborn child's?
Either or fallacy. Why does it have to be one or the other?
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You seem to be a bit confused my friend. Overturning Roe wouldn't outlaw abortion in any state, it would allow the states once again to regulate abortion.
That's the point Baron...I don't trust the states to regulate it properly if my wife's life or health is on the line.
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:48 AM
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Either or fallacy. Why does it have to be one or the other?
Are you implying that the Government can be trusted to properly define when abortion may or may not be needed if your wife's life might depend on it? I don't. You wife and you are better equiped to make that decision.
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Old 07-24-2008, 08:51 AM
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Are you implying that the Government can be trusted to properly define when abortion may or may not be needed if your wife's life might depend on it? I don't. You wife and you are better equiped to make that decision.
I don't believe there's a time when abortion is needed...Every case senerio you've used I've seen resolved WITHOUT the killing of the baby.
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None that I know of right now (but most abortion regulation is on the state level). Thank God. That’s why we need to keep choice in the hands of individual women….like it is right now. That’s my point.

You’re advocating that we overturn Roe and place restrictions on abortion. That means the GOVERNMENT will start drawing lines as to when and in what circumstances our wives have the right to choose an abortion if their life and health is on the line. I don’t trust the Government to get it right….I don’t trust them making decisions for me and my wife, especially if her life and/or health is on the line.
So, to be exact - you are in favor of "abortion on demand" just to protect against the rare case in which is "the mother or the child", and yet by your own admission, these cases are already protected against?

Let me ask you this question then, maybe this will help me to clarify your position - if the stipulation was made that the husband and wife would make the decision in a life threatening situation, but the government would make the decision in any other case, would that be amenable to you?
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So, to be exact - you are in favor of "abortion on demand" just to protect against the rare case in which is "the mother or the child", and yet by your own admission, these cases are already protected against?

Let me ask you this question then, maybe this will help me to clarify your position - if the stipulation was made that the husband and wife would make the decision in a life threatening situation, but the government would make the decision in any other case, would that be amenable to you?
But yet he wants government to regulate healthcare.........
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Are you implying that the Government can be trusted to properly define when abortion may or may not be needed if your wife's life might depend on it? I don't. You wife and you are better equiped to make that decision.
I'd like to know why you pro abortion lovers always bring up mothers who's health is threatened. In the millions of babies that have been murdered in this country most have been killed for the convince of the woman who wanted the enjoyment but not the responsibility that goes along with the enjoyment. Every child has a right to live.
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Old 07-24-2008, 09:10 AM
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Yeah I didn't realize just how many posts there in this thread already....


Question: Do you think there is a situation is which abortion should be permissible?

If you have already answered his, please answer it again as I do not have the patience to scroll through all the pages of this 50+ page thread.
Sorry, it was my bed time last night.... hope your around today.

Yes. For me the arguement is about innocent life. when a womans life is in danger because of a pregnancy, then the life within her cannot be deemed innocent.

Now, really the issue for us isnt so much what we think of abortion in each case, the real issue is getting Roe overturned so we can have a national debate.
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