David Bernard Weighs In on General Board Decision

[scotty]

Originally Posted by CC1

Of course I believe that trinitarians can be blessed with God. They are monotheists just like you are and the bible does not say one must have pefect understanding or verbage regarding the Godhead to be blessed by God. It is a false accusation when Oneness folks say trinitarians believe in three gods. If you read the AOG or any other major trinitarian org.'s statement of faith they make it clear they believe in one God.

If you don't believe that God blesses and deals with trinitarians then you are a minority even among UPC and other Oneness people. Are you saying that you think when the Holy Spirit is moving in these churches and people are getting blessed, healed, transformed, etc that it is all false and not true? If so then you are indeed in a minority even among your own people.

Your own forum beliefs say the opposite, Trinitarian orgs and AoG orgs do not believe speaking in tongues is the intial sign of recieving the Holy Ghost.

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Is this forum in the minority?

[A_PoMo]

Originally Posted by scotty

Your own forum beliefs say the opposite, Trinitarian orgs and AoG orgs do not believe speaking in tongues is the intial sign of recieving the Holy Ghost.

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Is this forum in the minority?

Uh, our trinitarian org has that in their statement of faith.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by scotty

Your own forum beliefs say the opposite, Trinitarian orgs and AoG orgs do not believe speaking in tongues is the intial sign of recieving the Holy Ghost.

Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:

Those that believe that every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith
with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.

Is this forum in the minority?

This forum does not say anywhere that trinitarians are not blessed of God and that God does not work in their midst or that trinitarians have not received the Holy Ghost. Some UPC and OP folks believe that anytime the Holy Ghost is active at a trinitarian Pentecostal / Charismatic church it is a "counterfeit" and not real but that is certainly not the view of all Oneness folks about that situation.

Why don't some of Scotty's conservative / moderate UPC and like brothers and sisters jump in here and tell us whether or not you believe trintarian Pentecostals can be blessed of God or not. Or if that is just reserved for UPC and like Oneness folks.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by CC1

Of course I believe that trinitarians can be blessed with God. They are monotheists just like you are and the bible does not say one must have pefect understanding or verbage regarding the Godhead to be blessed by God. It is a false accusation when Oneness folks say trinitarians believe in three gods. If you read the AOG or any other major trinitarian org.'s statement of faith they make it clear they believe in one God.

If you don't believe that God blesses and deals with trinitarians then you are a minority even among UPC and other Oneness people. Are you saying that you think when the Holy Spirit is moving in these churches and people are getting blessed, healed, transformed, etc that it is all false and not true? If so then you are indeed in a minority even among your own people.

*sigh*

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Originally Posted by scotty

Originally Posted by scotty
I have no doubt that others in other orgs are being blessed as well therefore I don't question or critic there beliefs. If thats the way they want to live and worship God then that is between them and God. To do as being done on here is just an enjoyment to argue.

[Mrs. LPW]

Originally Posted by scotty

*sigh*

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[/I]

Need some Advil Scotty?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by CC1

This forum does not say anywhere that trinitarians are not blessed of God and that God does not work in their midst or that trinitarians have not received the Holy Ghost.

This is wrong man, I never said thats what this forum said.!!

Some UPC and OP folks believe that anytime the Holy Ghost is active at a trinitarian Pentecostal / Charismatic church it is a "counterfeit" and not real but that is certainly not the view of all Oneness folks about that situation.

Read my post, I said that most do not believe that speaking in tongues is the initial evidence of the Holy Ghost. Alot of them believe that is simply a gift that may or may not happen.

Why don't some of Scotty's conservative / moderate UPC and like brothers and sisters jump in here and tell us whether or not you believe trintarian Pentecostals can be blessed of God or not. Or if that is just reserved for UPC and like Oneness folks.

and once again I have to bump my own words because you ignore them, if you took my words for what is said you could not argue them , I guess that would just be boring.

Originally Posted by scotty
I have no doubt that others in other orgs are being blessed as well therefore I don't question or critic there beliefs. If thats the way they want to live and worship God then that is between them and God. To do as being done on here is just an enjoyment to argue.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW

Need some Advil Scotty?

I may

[CC1]

Scotty,

Where did the neccessity of Jesus name baptism and Speaking in tongues as evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost even come in? We were not discussing whether people were saved or not.

This all started from your premise that you must be right because God was blessing you the way you do things. My point was that God's blessings is not a judge of one being 100% correct in what they are doing because many people not walking in full doctrinal truth do believe enough of the foundation to be blessed of God and enjoy his presence, etc.

Now go take that Advil but better yet just take some good ole Wal Mart / Sams Club generic Ibufrofin cause it is cheaper and you can get a bigger bottle for the same money!

[Sam]

From the Assembly of God web site
http://ag.org/top/index.cfm

Our 16 Fundamental Truths

Condensed
These are nonnegotiable tenets of faith that all Assemblies of God churches adhere to. This list is derived from the official Statement of Fundamental Truths.

WE BELIEVE...The Scriptures are Inspired by God and declare His design and plan for mankind.

WE BELIEVE...There is only One True God–revealed in three persons...Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (commonly known as the Trinity).

WE BELIEVE...In the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ. As God's son Jesus was both human and divine.

WE BELIEVE...though originally good, Man Willingly Fell to Sin–ushering evil and death, both physical and spiritual, into the world.

WE BELIEVE...Every Person Can Have Restored Fellowship with God Through 'Salvation' (accepting Christ's offer of forgiveness for sin). [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE...and practice two ordinances—(1) Water Baptism by Immersion after repenting of one's sins and receiving Christ's gift of salvation, and (2) Holy Communion (the Lord's Supper) as a symbolic remembrance of Christ's suffering and death for our salvation.

WE BELIEVE...the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a Special Experience Following Salvation that empowers believers for witnessing and effective service, just as it did in New Testament times. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE... The Initial Physical Evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is ‘Speaking in Tongues,’ as experienced on the Day of Pentecost and referenced throughout Acts and the Epistles.

WE BELIEVE...Sanctification Initially Occurs at Salvation and is not only a declaration that a believer is holy, but also a progressive lifelong process of separating from evil as believers continually draw closer to God and become more Christlike.

WE BELIEVE...The Church has a Mission to seek and save all who are lost in sin. We believe 'the Church' is the Body of Christ and consists of the people who, throughout time, have accepted God's offer of redemption (regardless of religious denomination) through the sacrificial death of His son Jesus Christ.

WE BELIEVE...A Divinely Called and Scripturally Ordained Leadership Ministry Serves the Church. The Bible teaches that each of us under leadership must commit ourselves to reach others for Christ, to worship Him with other believers, and to build up or edify the body of believers–the Church.

WE BELIEVE...Divine Healing of the Sick is a Privilege for Christians Today and is provided for in Christ's atonement (His sacrificial death on the cross for our sins). [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE...in The Blessed Hope—When Jesus Raptures His Church Prior to His Return to Earth (the second coming). At this future moment in time all believers who have died will rise from their graves and will meet the Lord in the air, and Christians who are alive will be caught up with them, to be with the Lord forever. [1 of 4 cardinal doctrines of the A/G]

WE BELIEVE...in The Millennial Reign of Christ when Jesus returns with His saints at His second coming and begins His benevolent rule over earth for 1,000 years. This millennial reign will bring the salvation of national Israel and the establishment of universal peace.

WE BELIEVE...A Final Judgment Will Take Place for those who have rejected Christ. They will be judged for their sin and consigned to eternal punishment in a punishing lake of fire.

WE BELIEVE...and look forward to the perfect New Heavens and a New Earth that Christ is preparing for all people, of all time, who have accepted Him. We will live and dwell with Him there forever following His millennial reign on Earth. 'And so shall we forever be with the Lord!'

[scotty]

Originally Posted by CC1

Scotty,

Where did the neccessity of Jesus name baptism and Speaking in tongues as evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost even come in? We were not discussing whether people were saved or not.

This all started from your premise that you must be right because God was blessing you the way you do things. My point was that God's blessings is not a judge of one being 100% correct in what they are doing because many people not walking in full doctrinal truth do believe enough of the foundation to be blessed of God and enjoy his presence, etc.

Now go take that Advil but better yet just take some good ole Wal Mart / Sams Club generic Ibufrofin cause it is cheaper and you can get a bigger bottle for the same money!

Ok, but we will have to agree to disagree, because I don't agree with the above. Difference in Standards, or holiness beliefs, rules and regs....yes....but I don't believe you can be off on the doctorine part and God be ever present in your life.