The Persecution of Women in the Church

[Rhoni]

She died in her 90's and until her mind left with dimentia, she remembered her childhood as if it was yesterday. Haunting images of abuse remained with her all her life.

I recently met a woman who is 74 years old, raised in the church by an abusive father/pastor who is still haunted by her fathers aggression against her.

What you have described here are symptoms of PTSD: Posttraumatic Stress Disorder. But I will have to concur that when we are older our long-term memory is what stays with us and our short-term memory goes. For this reason the formative years of our life set the stage for the rest of our lives unless the Holy Spirit heals us of the past abuse, neglect, and abandonment issues.

[Rachel]

I don't know if I would say whether satan has plotted 'specifically' against women more so than others - I really don't think he's into that kind of discrimination. I think he's going to target both men and women .. In God's order, both men and women are blessed and anointed in the roles God has given, men as leaders, women in submission. If satan targets women, the church is affected. If satan targets men, the church is affected. Either way, there is something lost. I don't think it's one more so than the other.

I do agree that women travail in the spiritual as they do in the natural. But I don't think satan is stupid. Women are relationship-oriented. If there is an attack to be done, relationships will be targeted.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Rachel

I don't know if I would say whether satan has plotted 'specifically' against women more so than others - I really don't think he's into that kind of discrimination. I think he's going to target both men and women .. In God's order, both men and women are blessed and anointed in the roles God has given, men as leaders, women in submission. If satan targets women, the church is affected. If satan targets men, the church is affected. Either way, there is something lost. I don't think it's one more so than the other.

I do agree that women travail in the spiritual as they do in the natural. But I don't think satan is stupid. Women are relationship-oriented. If there is an attack to be done, relationships will be targeted.

Sister, if you keep it up you are going to get added to the Women With Common Sense List with Felicity, Miss B and a couple of other luminaries.

Originally Posted by Rachel

I don't know if I would say whether satan has plotted 'specifically' against women more so than others - I really don't think he's into that kind of discrimination. I think he's going to target both men and women .. In God's order, both men and women are blessed and anointed in the roles God has given, men as leaders, women in submission. If satan targets women, the church is affected. If satan targets men, the church is affected. Either way, there is something lost. I don't think it's one more so than the other.

I do agree that women travail in the spiritual as they do in the natural. But I don't think satan is stupid. Women are relationship-oriented. If there is an attack to be done, relationships will be targeted.

While I agree Satan does target both genders, all discrimination does come from Satan. God is not a respector of persons, but Satan is.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

While I agree Satan does target both genders, all discrimination does come from Satan. God is not a respector of persons, but Satan is.

touche'

Blessings, Rhoni

[Rachel]

Seriously though - I have spent five years in university. I have a degree. I have received a few negative comments but that's the exception - Over the past five years, I have received FAR more encouragement and support from men and women alike.

I used to say I was a feminist because I argued that if feminism just advocated equality in terms of pay and what not and equality, I was one. But in the secular world, feminism means so much more. Feminism completely steps across that line and attempts to chip away at the foundation of God's order. Hence, I'm not a feminist - I don't want to be defined by that term. I'm a target but then again, who isn't? In all honesty, I'd rather be a target than not - if I am targeted, then I'm a threat. I can deal with that.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by crazyhomie

While I agree Satan does target both genders, all discrimination does come from Satan. God is not a respector of persons, but Satan is.

I know that God doesn't discriminate - I just said I don't think satan is too concerned with whether he's targeting men or women as long as he's targeting the people of God. Then again, I could be wrong. I don't try to think like the devil.

Originally Posted by Rachel

Seriously though - I have spent five years in university. I have a degree. I have received a few negative comments but that's the exception - Over the past five years, I have received FAR more encouragement and support from men and women alike.

I used to say I was a feminist because I argued that if feminism just advocated equality in terms of pay and what not and equality, I was one. But in the secular world, feminism means so much more. Feminism completely steps across that line and attempts to chip away at the foundation of God's order. Hence, I'm not a feminist - I don't want to be defined by that term. I'm a target but then again, who isn't? In all honesty, I'd rather be a target than not - if I am targeted, then I'm a threat. I can deal with that.

Then wouldn't you agree if feminism masquerades as equlity yet chips away at biblical foundations, Satan would be behind it and targetting women?

You are a threat! that's why God placed you under the headship of mankind. You are to be protected and loved because all life comes from you.

What Satan has and is attempting to do is bypass the headship and go directly to the women. He did this in the Garden, he bypassed Adam and went directly to Eve because she was the weaker vessel and he could access her.

The first sin of Adam was that he did not cover his wife in temptation and watched a "crime in progress" against her and finally participated in the rebellion againg God.

God chastised the Priest Eli for watching sin and doing nothing about it.

I Samuel 3:1 For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.

A Godly man will cover and protect women; in the home, church, job, etc.

If a pastor is abusing women in the church, it is the husbands responsibility to stop it and remove her from that situation.

Originally Posted by Rachel

Seriously though - I have spent five years in university. I have a degree. I have received a few negative comments but that's the exception - Over the past five years, I have received FAR more encouragement and support from men and women alike.

I used to say I was a feminist because I argued that if feminism just advocated equality in terms of pay and what not and equality, I was one. But in the secular world, feminism means so much more. Feminism completely steps across that line and attempts to chip away at the foundation of God's order. Hence, I'm not a feminist - I don't want to be defined by that term. I'm a target but then again, who isn't? In all honesty, I'd rather be a target than not - if I am targeted, then I'm a threat. I can deal with that.

Then wouldn't you agree if feminism masquerades as equlity yet chips away at biblical foundations, Satan would be behind it and targetting women?

You are a threat! That's why God placed you under the headship of mankind. You are to be protected and loved because all life comes from you.

What Satan has and is attempting to do is bypass the headship and go directly to the women. He did this in the Garden, he bypassed Adam and went directly to Eve because she was the weaker vessel and he could access her.

The first sin of Adam was that he did not cover his wife in temptation and watched a "crime in progress" against her and finally participated in the rebellion against God.

God chastised the Priest Eli for watching sin and doing nothing about it.

I Samuel 3:1 For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.

A Godly man will cover and protect women; in the home, church, job, etc.

If a pastor is abusing women in the church, it is the husbands responsibility to stop it and remove her from that situation. Men if your wife is complaining to you, LISTEN to her!!!

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Rachel

Seriously though - I have spent five years in university. I have a degree. I have received a few negative comments but that's the exception - Over the past five years, I have received FAR more encouragement and support from men and women alike.

I used to say I was a feminist because I argued that if feminism just advocated equality in terms of pay and what not and equality, I was one. But in the secular world, feminism means so much more. Feminism completely steps across that line and attempts to chip away at the foundation of God's order. Hence, I'm not a feminist - I don't want to be defined by that term. I'm a target but then again, who isn't? In all honesty, I'd rather be a target than not - if I am targeted, then I'm a threat. I can deal with that.

Things must be different in Canada. Although I will say the time I am speaking about being trashed from the pulpit for getting an education was back in the mid '90's. Things have began to change somewhat now. My children and I used to laugh and count the times it was mentioned in service that God didn't use educated people and you didn't have to have a degree to do something for God. It got old after a while. Back then I didn't realize I still had an option to change churches and even denominations. I kept my kids in UPCI up until my daughter married. Then I went to AOG and my kids went to ALJC.