Billy Graham

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Why do so many people want to identify as oneness Pentecostals while standing against most if not practically all that oneness Pentecostals believe? Why do so many who claim to be oneness Pentecostals have nary a word of criticism of Freemason religious clown change agents like Billy Graham but yet seem to have almost nothing BUT unending criticisms of the worst degree for oneness pentecostal belief and history?

And here comes the chorus of "Oh, no, I LOVE my oneness Pentecostal heritage!" Its the religious equivalent of "Some of my best friends are black!"

Talk about making someone want to puke.

Some of you guys are just bad apples, plain and simple. Sorry to be so blunt, but some of y'all got some kind of worm that done ate out the core and left just a shiny wax-coated husk.

They can't understand that what they are doing is saying that they are more righteous than God. God isn't merciful enough for them if God doesn't let some Church of God or Assembly of God believers into heaven. Or that Mother Teresa and John Wesley souls are lost. It is emotionalism, plain and simple. We haven't got one shred of evidence that this teaching is even found in the Bible. Yet, we have people beating the pulpit for tithes not being Biblical, whatever brand of eschatology they are fighting for, but something like God having mercy on people who rejected Biblical salvation? You don't need any book, just feelings.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Aquila

They don't realize that they embrace only one of many interpretations of Acts 2:38.

Hell will be full of all "interpretations" but the right one.

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by Aquila

James you make some good points.

They don't realize that they embrace only one of many interpretations of Acts 2:38. They also don't realize that they embrace only one of many interpretations of divine sovereignty. They are convinced that God is giggling at their quips, high-fiving them in spirit for their insults, that the crowds of heaven are laughing like a live audience at their mockings, and that God is giving a big "thumbs-up"... because after all, He agrees perfectly with them.

This really makes me sick. The fact that you think someone's private interpretation is going to alter God's judgment based on his word proves you are clueless. Man, don't know God and you don't care at all about truth. Period. Anyone here debating you is wasting their time.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

None of these men would have pointed to their own works

What does that matter? You are the one who are pointing them out. If we were talking about Moses David Berg, you wouldn't hesitate in saying that the guy was a lost potato. So, obviously it is works based salvation. Because after all, doctrinal Biblical salvation isn't the determinator. Something else, but you gentlemen haven't been very clear on that something else. therefore logically it must be their good works. We are saved by grace but judged by works, but their works aren't doctrinally correctness. Their works is niceness, Christianisms, religious piety, how many people they preached to, their notoriety .

Originally Posted by Originalist

They would have pointed to Calvary.

No they don't, they point to their denomination, and the Jesus of their denomination. Padre Pio pointed to Catholicism, and the Catholic Jesu. John Bunyan pointed to the Baptist, and the Baptist Jesus. This is about the Bible, and do we follow it, or our feelings about it.

Originally Posted by Originalist

WE point to the fruit of others as proof they are born from above.

Again, works trump truth?

Originally Posted by Originalist

It's one thing to claim you are going to Heaven because you obeyed a certain formula to the letter. It's another to bear fruit of genuine conversion. Yes, we judge a tree by the fruit it bears.

Bro, I know people in a lot of different religions who bare some awesome fruit. But, Bro, if you didn't follow the book, then you aren't entering i=n, no matter how much of a sweetie pie you are. Works will never trump Truth.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Hell will be full of all "interpretations" but the right one.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by consapente89

This really makes me sick. The fact that you think someone's private interpretation is going to alter God's judgment based on his word proves you are clueless. Man, don't know God and you don't care at all about truth. Period. Anyone here debating you is wasting their time.

They got to be answered, you just can't leave foolishness to run its course unchecked. You see the more you keep him posting the more he burns down his own case. He believes that God is unrighteous and would not be merciful if God didn't let Chris' favorite "Christians" through the pearly gates. It is all emotions posed by a religious snowflake. He then claims we are insulting him, and that we believe that God is giving us a thumbs up. That is more of Chris' temper tantrum when we don't swallow his thesis. No, the host of heaven are yawning and stretching, and saying "wow, Chris is at it again?"

Sad, he claims he is Mr Acts 2:38, but in works he denies it.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I'm sorry but the above quote is a contradiction.

The only heritage is the scriptures in your Bible. You are more hung up in movements than you are proving scriptural truth. I'm so sorry, but the denial is attributing God to something He never showed us through His apostles.

The whole "In God's Hand" doctrine is blasphemy.

Let God be true and every man a liar.

Hebrews 10:28-29

I was simply answering Esaias. He used the terminology. And as I stated, God showed me things concerning both camps that grieve him. Yes, let God be true.

[Esaias]

Perhaps the good gentlemen can show, FROM THE BIBLE, that people might end up in the kingdom who did not obey the apostles' doctrine?

Perhaps, while they're at it, they can show from the Bible anybody praying for a dead person?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What does that matter? You are the one who are pointing them out. If we were talking about Moses David Berg, you wouldn't hesitate in saying that the guy was a lost potato. So, obviously it is works based salvation. Because after all, doctrinal Biblical salvation isn't the determinator. Something else, but you gentlemen haven't been very clear on that something else. therefore logically it must be their good works. We are saved by grace but judged by works, but their works aren't doctrinally correctness. Their works is niceness, Christianisms, religious piety, how many people they preached to, their notoriety .



No they don't, they point to their denomination, and the Jesus of their denomination. Padre Pio pointed to Catholicism, and the Catholic Jesu. John Bunyan pointed to the Baptist, and the Baptist Jesus. This is about the Bible, and do we follow it, or our feelings about it.



Again, works trump truth?



Bro, I know people in a lot of different religions who bare some awesome fruit. But, Bro, if you didn't follow the book, then you aren't entering i=n, no matter how much of a sweetie pie you are. Works will never trump Truth.

Again, you create one straw man after another here. I've pointed out your horrible inconsistencies concerning this, and you hold to them with a vice grip. Brother, this is the kind off thing that made me part company with Sean. Ouch. Yes. Has his mantle now fallen on you?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Perhaps the good gentlemen can show, FROM THE BIBLE, that people might end up in the kingdom who did not obey the apostles' doctrine?

Perhaps, while they're at it, they can show from the Bible anybody praying for a dead person?

Perhaps you can demonstrate where Graham did not obey the Apostles doctrine, or Wesley, or Whitfield.

But please do not do like our dear brother Evang.Benincasa and act like there is no difference between those men and Krishna.