Psychiatry An Industry Of Death Full Length - Page 51

Aquila · #**501** 07-24-2017, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

[*]Psychiatry is based on humanistic philosophy, and we are told to not walk in the counsel of the ungodly, so psychiatrists should be avoided.

Can't this be said of nearly anything outside of church, including dieticians, physicians, and astrophysicists?

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[*]Psychiatric meds are addictive and have very bad and debilitating long term side effects, you can't just stop taking them, you need to wean off of them over time, unless the Lord delivers you instantly.

Not always. But, I'd take a healing from the Lord over meds any day.

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[*]There are some counselors, like Dr James Dobson, who are Christians and are giving advice that aligns with the Bible, they can be helpful imo

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[*]Preachers are not shrinks, it is their job to preach the gospel with deliverance and signs following. It is not their job to decide that people need to see a shrink.

I agree.

On the flip side, is it their job to decide that people do not need to see a counselor?

Amanah · #**502** 07-24-2017, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I am gonna ask a simple question. Lets say an individual receives the Holy Ghost at age 60. For 45 years said individual smoked, drank, no exercise, just bad health decisions. The Holy Spirit takes away all desires of smoking, drinking, etc. Are we to suggest that the individual (after being saved) will not reap the hazards of 45 years of bad decisions? OK, said individual was also prescribed the strongest meds related to mental illness. I agree that most of these meds will "fry" your brain. But, what is the aforementioned individual to do?? Will every individual be totally healed of the mental illness but suffer no side affects of years of taking mind altering scripts. We would not dare suggest the new convert stop his metformin or zebeta. But some of is will brow beat Zoloft, soma, Lexapro etc etc

It is not the preacher's job to decide this, it is a preachers job to preach the gospel and deliverance.

It is the person in the pew's job to apply the gospel to their life the best way they know how, with the direction and leading of the HG.

When the meds start failing them and start having memory lapses, insomnia, or blackouts, or they just feel the Spirit leading them to overcome their addictions, then they can, with prayer and fasting and discretion find deliverance.

Aquila · #**503** 07-24-2017, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I am gonna ask a simple question. Lets say an individual receives the Holy Ghost at age 60. For 45 years said individual smoked, drank, no exercise, just bad health decisions. The Holy Spirit takes away all desires of smoking, drinking, etc. Are we to suggest that the individual (after being saved) will not reap the hazards of 45 years of bad decisions? OK, said individual was also prescribed the strongest meds related to mental illness. I agree that most of these meds will "fry" your brain. But, what is the aforementioned individual to do?? Will every individual be totally healed of the mental illness but suffer no side affects of years of taking mind altering scripts. We would not dare suggest the new convert stop his metformin or zebeta. But some of is will brow beat Zoloft, soma, Lexapro etc etc

Good point.

Aquila · #**504** 07-24-2017, 07:54 AM

Doesn't it really bite being fallen creatures in a fallen world with a fallen, cursed, and corrupt biology? I believe sin has corrupted our being down to our very DNA.

Aquila · #**505** 07-24-2017, 08:00 AM

I remember reading in my studies that people with mental health issues are often more susceptible to demonic oppression and even demonic possession. But another author wrote that many mental health issues are the result of demonic oppression or even possession.

I can see both being possible in some cases.

Jermyn Davidson · #**506** 07-24-2017, 08:16 AM

How can anyone on an Oneness Pentecostal internet forum advocate listening to an hell-bound apostate like Dr. Dobson? "Trinitarians are going to hell!"

See how silly this quickly gets?

I was thinking the same thing that Aquilla brought up. For the sake of consistency, Psalms 1 would HAVE TO APPLY to all facets of life, to include our healthcare providers, our real estate agents, our loan officers-- the list is ENDLESS and that is the way it has to be if we want to be CONSISTENT on this subject and the use of Psalms 1 to justify a completely untenable position.

Jermyn Davidson · #**507** 07-24-2017, 08:28 AM

Evangelist Benincasa, Pastor TK Burk, Amanah

Mental Healthcare Providers are not mentioned specifically in the Bible, but most people would see them as a part of the MEDICAL CARE Community. We know so much more about the human body and life in general than what was known (by mankind) in the Bible days.

You all are seeming to ignore the FACT that chemical imbalances can occur in the brain that would cause all sorts of real-life, legitimate, mental and medical conditions! You all are seeming to ignore the FACT that certain head injuries can lead to certain mental health conditions. The only thing your position does is alienate the sick that God has chosen to allow for mankind to treat and sometimes cure.

You advocate no mental health care providers, no mental health care medicines, then advocate no diabetes specialists, no diabetes medications.

God is able to CURE all of our maladies, but He has also given mankind the skills, knowledge and wisdom to treat and even cure many of the maladies ourselves. If we are going to depend solely on God for any malady (in the sense that you two are suggesting for mental health conditions), then, for the sake of consistency, we must apply that same logic to ALL manner of maladies related to our fallen humanity.

This is what I mean about consistency.

Amanah · #**508** 07-24-2017, 08:43 AM

I wonder if some are looking for a way to justify their addictions rather than finding a way to overcome them. It's bad enough if it's a saint on the pew, but it this is the case with preachers of the gospel, it's sad.

If I need to be healed or delivered I'm going to track down Bro Benincasa and have him pray for me.

Jermyn Davidson · #**509** 07-24-2017, 08:47 AM

Evangelist Benincasa, Pastor TK Burk, Amanah

Please understand that your logic is the same logic that led the Apostolic Pastor from Arizona down the path of darkness he traveled. His death was COMPLETELY UNNECESARY AND TOTALLY PREVENTABLE had he just sought treatment.

He didn't because of the stigma the religious world places on mental illness.

Some OP's are not the only ones who stigmatize mental illness-- this is a "religious mindset" held by many and it does NOTHING to help people that God has given mankind the knowledge and skill to help.

How many more genuinely Holy Ghost filled people who are sick have to die before you realize that your positions are untenable?

Jesus Christ heals all of the maladies that afflict His Creation! Through medicines, through surgeries, through miracles-- Jesus Christ Heals!

Jermyn Davidson · #**510** 07-24-2017, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

I wonder if some are looking for a way to justify their addictions rather than finding a way to overcome them. It's bad enough if it's a saint on the pew, but it this is the case with preachers of the gospel, it's sad.

If I need to be healed or delivered I'm going to track down Bro Benincasa and have him pray for me.

I don't think you really understand...

There are many things I didn't understand until they hit home.