Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit. - Page 51

Truthseeker · #**501** 10-05-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

And while you waited, how would you treat him? Would you treat him as a respected leader and man of God, or would you distance yourself from him like the plague?

And of course a man could be an overseer to 100,000 people. Directly, individually? Of course not, but that's not what it claimed. But under his influence and guidance are many people.

I would treat him as a leader in right standing til shown otherwise.

coadie · #**502** 10-05-2010, 02:36 PM

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The fellowship, said Lee, “gave him tremendous exposure.”

Another development gave Long authority few pastors ever enjoy. In 1994, New Birth’s deacons relinquished control of the church to the preacher. The change was comparable to a city council telling the mayor he could make all future decisions without its input.

In his book “Taking Over,” Long said the deacons had been “telling the man of God when to jump and how high.”

Long was poised to jump, and heaven was the limit.

This is a bad move. Eddie the High priest. One man can't shepherd 100,000.

Mr. Smith · #**503** 10-05-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I would treat him as a leader in right standing til shown otherwise.

Cool!

Praxeas · #**504** 10-05-2010, 04:52 PM

Forget a moment that this is about EL. What about someone in that situation and the details are true? What went wrong? Could it have been prevented? Why does this seem to be happening a lot in American churches?

Jermyn Davidson · #**505** 10-05-2010, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Forget a moment that this is about EL. What about someone in that situation and the details are true? What went wrong? Could it have been prevented? Why does this seem to be happening a lot in American churches?

The liberals would say that it is Conservative America's puritanical view of sexual relations that drive people to hide their sexual desires and actions until it festers, and explode-- hurting so many people.

Sin is sin-- all day, everyday. However, I want to try to explain something.

IF Songs of Solomon is "romantic" in theme, it would appear that the Bible is much more open about romance and sex than what I have ever been taught.

In our desire for holiness, we treat romance and sex in a way that makes it something to avoid like the plague. It's so bad. It will destroy you. Even the "m" word is demonized-- so much shame is associated with everything sexual within American Christianity.

We need a paradigm shift-- a very careful, God-fearing, paradigm shift.

Pre-marital sex is and will always be sin. Homosexual sex is and will always be sin. Adultery is adultery.

However, there has to be a healthier way for American Christians to regard romance and sex that does not lend itself to sin.

Hoovie · #**506** 10-05-2010, 06:36 PM

"In 1994, New Birth’s deacons relinquished control of the church to the preacher. The change was comparable to a city council telling the mayor he could make all future decisions without its input."

This is at least one of the problems in this case... and I mean whether he is guilty or innocent of said charges.

Praxeas · #**507** 10-05-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

The liberals would say that it is Conservative America's puritanical view of sexual relations that drive people to hide their sexual desires and actions until it festers, and explode-- hurting so many people.

Sin is sin-- all day, everyday. However, I want to try to explain something.

IF Songs of Solomon is "romantic" in theme, it would appear that the Bible is much more open about romance and sex than what I have ever been taught.

In our desire for holiness, we treat romance and sex in a way that makes it something to avoid like the plague. It's so bad. It will destroy you. Even the "m" word is demonized-- so much shame is associated with everything sexual within American Christianity.

We need a paradigm shift-- a very careful, God-fearing, paradigm shift.

Pre-marital sex is and will always be sin. Homosexual sex is and will always be sin. Adultery is adultery.

However, there has to be a healthier way for American Christians to regard romance and sex that does not lend itself to sin.

Considering that a lot of the players involved are not a bunch of puritanical conservatives, I'd say that theory is flawed

Praxeas · #**508** 10-05-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

"In 1994, New Birth’s deacons relinquished control of the church to the preacher. The change was comparable to a city council telling the mayor he could make all future decisions without its input."

This is at least one of the problems in this case... and I mean whether he is guilty or innocent of said charges.

In this case, I would agree.

Second, as far as someone falling...it would probably happen anyways somewhere and somehow. However the saying comes to mind "the bigger they are the harder they fall"....Clearly when it's someone of his stature it gets more unwanted attention for the church. On a lessor degree the damage is limited to that congregation probably

Mr. Smith · #**509** 10-05-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

"In 1994, New Birth’s deacons relinquished control of the church to the preacher. The change was comparable to a city council telling the mayor he could make all future decisions without its input."

This is at least one of the problems in this case... and I mean whether he is guilty or innocent of said charges.

Where is this from? Is this documented fact?

Something to consider, regardless of what the deacon's did, is that the IRS requires a 501(c)3 organization to be operated by a Board of Directors. This can't be changed. Eddie Long, or any chairman of a 501(c)3 corporation, is going to have held accountable to that board, no matter what. If one person is ever given complete control, they would lose their tax-exempt status.

Also, their "Deacons" may be a separate group from the Board of Directors.

BeenThinkin · #**510** 10-05-2010, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

We need a paradigm shift-- a very careful, God-fearing, paradigm shift.

Pre-marital sex is and will always be sin. Homosexual sex is and will always be sin. Adultery is adultery.

However, there has to be a healthier way for American Christians to regard romance and sex that does not lend itself to sin.

Jermyn, Let's see now .... Pre-marital sex is sin! ..... Homosexual sex is sin! ...... but, adultery is just adultery! Is that it? ha ha

Just kidding you! Got a kick out of how you said it!

Been Thinkin