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Old 03-25-2010, 08:38 PM
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ah... the volume of the earth's oceans is some 1,310,302 thousand cubic kilometers.

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ah... the volume of the earth's oceans is some 1,310,302 thousand cubic kilometers.

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Can you show me one of these watery Interstellar Clouds? Show me one. And then describe just how this "water" is being held back from flooding the earth by ... any kind of whatever?

There is no solid barrier that protects our world. There is a relatively thin layer of gases trapped near the earth's surface that filters out harmful radiation - much of the time. Place a dime on a basketball. That's the thickness of our atmosphere in relation to the earth.

A literal application of "the Word" (in Genesis 1 - 11) will give you a false cosmology. There is no solid firmament holding back a watery abyss in the sky. There never was such a thing.

However the truths that God wanted to communicate to the ancients were real and are still true for us today. God did create the heavens and the earth, etc.

But show me one of those watery interstellar clouds that threatens to flood our planet if not for the intervention of the firmament.

*** I have read but not engaged in the other discussion concerning the perceived immorality of the OT commands to kill and such. The cosmology issue does intersect with this as NotForSale has shown when he brought it up. But to understand the differences in the moral outlook I think it's helpful if we understand first that the ancients had a completely different worldview - literally. Their world was not the one that the Age of Discovery found to exist.
I believe some things were beyond their understanding and God used language that they would understand. Therefore the atmosphere, which serves as a barrier to protect our planet was referred to as the firmament. As for showing you interstellar clouds, you can Google that stuff. There isn’t an interstellar cloud threatening our world today. But then again would we expect one? God himself stated that he’d never again flood the earth. So we’d expect not to see this.

But my primary point is that there is a barrier (firmament) between our world and actual waters (found in interstellar clouds) throughout our universe. While you argue that the firmament is nothing but gasses… it’s important to note that it is quite a solid barrier of protection from everything ranging from ultra violet rays to meteors.
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If Moses had decided on his own to command the army to kill every Midianite male and every non-virgin female, keeping the young girls for themselves, would that have been sin? If yes, why?

Would it have been sin for a soldier to obey Moses, if that order had not been given by God?
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If Moses had decided on his own to command the army to kill every Midianite male and every non-virgin female, keeping the young girls for themselves, would that have been sin? If yes, why?

Would it have been sin for a soldier to obey Moses, if that order had not been given by God?
Since Moses was vested with authority over the people I believed he had ordained power to choose military options. However, if Moses ordered an unjustified and unnecessary military option I believe it would have brought judgment upon the people.
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Since Moses was vested with authority over the people I believed he had ordained power to choose military options. However, if Moses ordered an unjustified and unnecessary military option I believe it would have brought judgment upon the people.
How would we know if a particular military option was justified or necessary?
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Would it have been a sin for Abraham to sacrifice Isaac to God, if God had not ordered him to do so?
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How would we know if a particular military option was justified or necessary?
Truth is, we don't. That's why I argue that a Christian does well not to serve in the military or to at least serve in a non-combatant position. That way unjustified blood isn't on our hands. That's the reason I transfered from being an M1 Tank Crewman (19K) to a Combat Medical Specialist (91b10) when I was in the service. Had they not granted the transfer, I would have requested discharge based on my religious convictions. (I enlisted before going back to church.)
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Truth is, we don't. That's why I argue that a Christian does well not to serve in the military or to at least serve in a non-combatant position. That way unjustified blood isn't on our hands. That's the reason I transfered from being an M1 Tank Crewman (19K) to a Combat Medical Specialist (91b10) when I was in the service. Had they not granted the transfer, I would have requested discharge based on my religious convictions. (I enlisted before going back to church.)
Earlier, you gave the example of bombing Japan. Said it was necessary. What gives?
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Earlier, you gave the example of bombing Japan. Said it was necessary. What gives?
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