NEW Standard Debate in the UPC! "Girls Leggings"!!!

[seguidordejesus]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Would you elaborate on this, please?

Come on, CS. You know if someone tells you that you HAVE to do something, you automatically have to do the opposite, donchaknow?

(it comes naturally to kids and wives )

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

...The move toward women wearing pants is nothing more than a unisex movement, and besides that, the majority of women's pants are immodest.

The Church has drawn a line and applied that principle in this manner.

I don't think you were serious about the question, really, as you know many reasons why I or any other man wouldn't wear a pair of pants made for a woman.

It just looked like another "Gotcha!"

I don't think so.

I agree about the debate, it is either you believe it or you don't.

I am serious about the question though, of men wearing pants from the ladies department, because there is a principal behind it when you and other say that all pants pertain to men. Why can you not go and select your slacks from the woman's department?

Secondly, there is no "Gotcha here" Why doesn't the church simply be honest and say that while the biblical evidence for women wearing pants is skinny at best (besides we have bigger fish to fry with our women taking on the mantle of men) and just say, our culture believes that pants are immodest and we demand our women not wear them. Instead they attach the SIN label and like I said earlier, you can get someone to do just about anything if you put their salvation at stake.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Would you elaborate on this, please?

When I came into the UPC, I loved the idea that skirts were for women and that I had a great way to express my femininity. This was a principle in my mind. However, over the years something subtle happened from listening to UPC preaching. I came to think that not only was it a great way to express femininity but that it was an ABOMINATION for women to wear pants. That made it salvational. That small shift....what I wouldn't have even been able to explain or elaborate on to anyone made the difference between wearing skirts daily out of love for God and an expression of my Christianity into a law that had to be kept by everyone lest we be thrown into hell. From love to fear. Very bad. That small subtle seed of difference is like leaven which leavens the whole lump. That leaven is very bad, wrong and dangerous. And why I wear pants today.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by ILG

When I came into the UPC, I loved the idea that skirts were for women and that I had a great way to express my femininity. This was a principle in my mind. However, over the years something subtle happened from listening to UPC preaching. I came to think that not only was it a great way to express femininity but that it was an ABOMINATION for women to wear pants. That made it salvational. That small shift....what I wouldn't have even been able to explain or elaborate on to anyone made the difference between wearing skirts daily out of love for God and an expression of my Christianity into a law that had to be kept by everyone lest we be thrown into hell. From love to fear. Very bad. That small subtle seed of difference is like leaven which leavens the whole lump. That leaven is very bad, wrong and dangerous. And why I wear pants today.

Coonskinner, this is exaclty the point I was trying to make above.

Great post ILG!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Coonskinner, this is exaclty the point I was trying to make above.

Great post ILG!

Thanks Carp.

[Coonskinner]

I got the answer I thought I would get.

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I got the answer I thought I would get.

Well at least you got an answer.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

Well at least you got an answer.

I answered your question, didn't I?

[Subdued]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I agree about the debate, it is either you believe it or you don't.

I am serious about the question though, of men wearing pants from the ladies department, because there is a principal behind it when you and other say that all pants pertain to men. Why can you not go and select your slacks from the woman's department?

Secondly, there is no "Gotcha here" Why doesn't the church simply be honest and say that while the biblical evidence for women wearing pants is skinny at best (besides we have bigger fish to fry with our women taking on the mantle of men) and just say, our culture believes that pants are immodest and we demand our women not wear them. Instead they attach the SIN label and like I said earlier, you can get someone to do just about anything if you put their salvation at stake.

Why are pants immodest for women but not for men?

[Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I answered your question, didn't I?

No, you just said I wasn't serious and dismissed the question/comment.